what jackass
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:58 (nine years ago) link
ive got a heaping cup of claim chowder to server this jackass i swear
server this jackass
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
damn straight
― lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link
Yeah the official Markdown is a Perl script implemented with regexes and tons of undefined edge cases, so thanks for the idea Grubes but the Pandoc guy is the true Markdown king now.
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
also no thanks for the idea. fuck markup. the mac did this better in 1984. ⌘-B >>>>>> "* *"
― stet, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:19 (nine years ago) link
Is that a rejected JW user name
― 龜, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:22 (nine years ago) link
^_^
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 4 September 2014 19:42 (nine years ago) link
The @horse_markdown parody Twitter account
― fields of salmon, Thursday, 4 September 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link
man I don't ordinarily play this card but of Jeff Atwood and John Gruber, one of those people is actually a professional software developer
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 4 September 2014 22:59 (nine years ago) link
http://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-common-markdown
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 00:06 (nine years ago) link
grubers a baby
Marco Arment @marcoarment
Whether Gruber filed a trademark with the USPTO or not has no relevance on whether it’s a dick move to commandeer the name.
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 00:10 (nine years ago) link
it is a commendable dick move imo
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 00:21 (nine years ago) link
John Gruber was also very upset, and I think rightfully so, that the word Markdown was not capitalized throughout the spec.
― socki (s1ocki), Friday, 5 September 2014 13:28 (nine years ago) link
Atwood is a schmuck too. I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF? You're making the exact same mistake.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:34 (nine years ago) link
I'm also amused it took two years. What were they spending their time on? Another unverifiable reference parser?
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:43 (nine years ago) link
Allen (etaeoe)Posted: September 5, 2014 at 10:34:44 AMAtwood is a schmuck too.
i love the classic aggressive v passive aggressive face off going on here
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link
dont think arwood can compete w gruber in the schmuck department tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
Totally. They should take their beef to app.net.
No contest.
Aside: has ILX discussed Model View Culture? The Shanley and Atwood drama was entertaining.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF?
psssh like these talky web and MS-lovin' dudes know what a grammar is
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
it's nabisco's blog iirc: http://agrammar.tumblr.com
― markers, Friday, 5 September 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
otm
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
Jeff Atwood @codinghorror 2mThe Standard / Common Markdown project, in accordance with the wishes of @gruber, has been renamed to http://commonmark.org
― lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link
Such total twats.
Hey let's move this to Discourse.
― stet, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:14 (nine years ago) link
congrats gruber you just made yourself even more irrelevant to this than you already are
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Friday, 5 September 2014 23:52 (nine years ago) link
(btw presumably the spec is not in the form of a BNF grammar definition b/c markdown isn't even context-free so you couldn't specify or implement it that way, or use a context-free parser generator to parse it. The pandoc guy's implementations generally use Parsing Expression Grammars, an abstraction for describing parses with more power than a CFG.)
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 6 September 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Jeff Atwood may be a dillweed but jgm (the pandoc guy) is good at actual things.
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 6 September 2014 00:03 (nine years ago) link
http://commonmark.org
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Saturday, 6 September 2014 00:38 (nine years ago) link
Are the Yankees the best team in baseball?We used to think so.
― sofatruck, Saturday, 6 September 2014 03:01 (nine years ago) link
It's possible to specify a context sensitive language using a formal grammar. In fact, it's a useful exercise because the grammar emphasizes the ambiguities of the underlying language. It's also possible to reduce a language into a context-free grammar by assuming a modifying lexical analysis pass (e.g. many programming languages, but notably white space sensitive languages like Haskell or Python). Semicolon insertion is a common technique.
― Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 6 September 2014 13:08 (nine years ago) link
Heh I stand outgunned.
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 6 September 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link
can u explain that to someone who like knows jquery
― lag∞n, Saturday, 6 September 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/509410066857201664
― caek, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link
i love @pinboard
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
srsly
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:14 (nine years ago) link
when he clowns the people who bought delicious I giggle
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:34 (nine years ago) link
the youtube dudes, right? chad hurley and whoever?
― markers, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:14 (nine years ago) link
idk man but I googled thishttp://www.crunchbase.com/organization/delicious
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:32 (nine years ago) link
pharrell? xp
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:56 (nine years ago) link
i think that's it
― markers, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 00:09 (nine years ago) link
oh god dude is already talking like he's a watch expert
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 03:11 (nine years ago) link
its too bad he didnt have any time to get into watches and now he just has to think the apple watch is the best
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 03:16 (nine years ago) link
A few days into testing the new iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, I accidentally left my personal iPhone 5S on a desk next to the iPhone 6 Plus. While my back was turned, the Plus tried to eat my 5S. It’s a monster.
cant tell if serious..
I kid, but only sort of.
oh
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link
Only sort of kidding that his demo phone is an actual living breathing monster
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
now im scared, great
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
It’s been a while since I used a rounded iPhone. It’s nice. With the iPhone 6, I’ve found myself reverting to a habit I formed back in 2007 with the original iPhone: slowly spinning it around in my hand, over and over, side over side, like one of those “worry stones” that were popular back in the 1990s. It just feels nice in your hand. (The 6 Plus is too big for me to do this with.)
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
Ah, but then there’s The Bulge. Both iPhone 6 models have a camera lens that protrudes from the back of the phone. It’s noticeable, and, let’s face it, a little gross. But this was foreseeable given that the presciently-designed iPod Touch from two years ago had one too. (The iPod Touch is just 6.1mm thick, thinner even than the iPhone 6.) This is a conflict with the laws of physics: image quality improves when the lens is further away from the sensor (which allows for physically larger sensors), but devices feel better in hand and weigh less when they are thinner. Apple’s only options for the iPhone 6:
Use a camera with worse optics that would sit flush with the rest of the case.
Make the entirely device thicker to sit flush with the camera lens.
Allow the camera lens to protrude from the back of the camera.
The first choice is unacceptable. Image quality is too important to allow it to suffer — and Apple certainly couldn’t allow image quality on the iPhone 6 to be worse than on the 5S. So the choice was between #2 and #3, and as a fan of smaller thinner devices, I can’t say I disagree with Apple’s decision to go with #3. It’s reasonable to argue that the iPhone 6 would have been better if Apple had gone with #2 (and filled the additional volume with a slightly thicker battery), but that’s not really Apple-like.
omg why didnt they do this drives me fn nuts mane
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:21 (nine years ago) link
they did it to drive you nuts iirc
― ⌘-B (mh), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
They could have made the camera thinner if they went super wide angle, and then used post processing to fix the image / crop
― 龜, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link