"Coffee's for closers" Glengarry Glen Ross poll

Yeah, I can see it that way, but I can also see why they think the movie's kind of over the top and unrelatable. Not every facet of being human is especially relatable to other humans (not an especially helpful truism, but it reconciles your and their povs), and in light of that, their questions and comments are fair. Plus, I think they're trying to entertain each other and their audience, so I don't junk it's fair to characterize what they said as grumbling.

GGR's in this class of movie about men that's ostensibly critical of certain male-centric institutions (like the mob) that at the same time seems to lionize some of the worst aspects of those institutions. Upthread morbs makes a comment about the shift in Mamet's politics, and I don't know his work too well, but considering GGR and Oleander, both of which I've read, I wonder if his politics have just calcified (which I think is what Morbs was wondering, too).

Anyway, that doesn't mean that GGR doesn't say anything of value about sales, real estate, the 80s, middle aged men, or capitalism.

The movie also makes statement on importance of coffee imo

pretty sure Mamet's language is not aspiring to big R Realism

none of this is to say i can't understand why you wouldn't like this thing by an unlikeable playwright about unlikeable characters behaving unlikeably

right it's not that i dont get why people wouldn't like it—its obv about a very particular culture (and masculine as it may be, I think its being underestimated maybe cuz the movie focused on men how many women have similar jobs w/ the same pressures—the office I worked in, the leading sales person was female, and the women were often doing better than a number of the dudes) (nb everyone was kind of sad).

but it's the feigned ignorance i guess that bothers me, the "who would live like this" stuff...idk, maybe a guy trying to take care of his daughter in the hospital? an average working person?

finding it tough to watch makes sense, the faux naif thing just bothers me for some reason

the best sales person in the office was a woman—and she was also known for using extra sleazy sales tactics to move the units they needed

yeah the culture of sales is in no way a uniquely male one, any more than the culture of office (micro)aggression is

and for most people, if you don't think bullying happens in yr workplace, you're probly the bully

The Wolf of Wall Street seems similarly dated. When I saw it, I thought of all these guys getting rich selling things over the phone, when now no one will pick up the phone to talk to a stranger, let alone their friends.

Daniel Pink has a good chronicle of how sales has fundamentally changed when both parties have access to the same information.

Also, related to D's comment, when I saw In The Company of Men I remember that the pack-mentality reminded me more of groups of saleswomen than men in the offices where I temped at the time.

Glengarry in a very specific way feels of the 1979-80 recession, the same "I got debts that no honest man can pay" of Nebraska, with the same underlying story being that there was no way for a weak-performing salesman to get the leads that would keep him from being a weak-performing salesman.

this movie is incredibly dated, but i still liked it. needs a reboot/sequel.

one where the coffee is gritty

The timeline confuses me. Roma, Levene etc believe Williamson that he "filed the contracts at the bank" even though it's night when they leave the office and obv no banks are open?

Ha, I never thought about that.

Well, now the clocks have moved over here, it gets dark before the banks close.

Banks in grocery stores used to be open late.

I doubt Williamson was dropping real estate contracts at a Safeway bank kiosk.

show of hands: how many ilxors in retail have been shown the Alec Baldwin clip by their supervisors?

Fantastic.

that is amazing.

That's almost too good to be a mere clickbait parody, even as great as clickhole is.

lol at punctuation at 1:20

its a labor of love, which all the best clickhole stuff is

listen

i got 48 hours to make you a loootta money

will you go to lunch

^ this is the real line to use at work, nm aida or abc

Go to lunch, George.

The Machine!

Don’t think anyone’s mentioned Roma’s burn of Williamson: “Who told you you could work with men!?”

I think about it all the time