OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY: nu-Who season 8

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ie he was mixed way too high and the jaunty music was completely inappropriate

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Monday, 13 October 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link

i said to mr veg that the first 15 minutes made me feel like a deaf old lady EHHH STOP MUMBLING SPEAK UP NOW

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 01:59 (nine years ago) link

Suzy's advise is very good for people who have only stereo speakers or just the TV set. Like most modern tv shows, Dr. Who has surround sound, and when that is played through a stereo system, the dialogue tends to get buried beneath the music and sound effects, because in a surround speaker set it would have a speaker of its own.

It's possible your TV set has the default sound setting as surround, but in that case you should be able to switch it to stereo, that should make the dialogue more audible. Some sets also have function called "clear speech" or something like that allows you to boost the sound frequencies alloted to human speech, using that should help too.

We've had surround speakers for a while, and I have no problem hearing the Dr. Who dialogue now, since the middle speaker is dedicated to it... But I had the same problems as you before, when I only had stereo speakers, surround sound just doesn't sit well with them.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 07:22 (nine years ago) link

Thanks! That explains a lot.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 12:50 (nine years ago) link

i enjoyed this but have v little to say other than I liked Dr & Clara on that alien beach after the climax, I think because it reminded me of Local Hero.

woof, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link

needs updating.

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Saturday, 18 October 2014 02:54 (nine years ago) link

adorable though

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Saturday, 18 October 2014 02:55 (nine years ago) link

<3

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 October 2014 05:09 (nine years ago) link

i have to say, upon reflection, the body count last week was pretty impressive

coincidence that it's the first episode at the new, later, 8:30pm time slot? (i.e. after little kids' bed times?)

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 18 October 2014 10:58 (nine years ago) link

the caretaker was 8.30 too wunnit?

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 18 October 2014 11:10 (nine years ago) link

ahh you are correct

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 18 October 2014 13:08 (nine years ago) link

That was good

cardamon, Saturday, 18 October 2014 21:40 (nine years ago) link

Bristol sidings

cardamon, Saturday, 18 October 2014 21:40 (nine years ago) link

Episode was good-not-great (female Doctor trial run) till the climax, then seeing the restored TARDIS and the Doctor going all HAM was awesome, the first time for me where Capaldi brings something that Matt wouldn't have.

My Life with the Thrillho Kult (Leee), Sunday, 19 October 2014 01:26 (nine years ago) link

Absolutely loved this ep (tremendously memorable villains, bizarre and unprecedented way of isolating the Doctor so of limited help, great showcase of Clara managing to save the day) but can someone explain that last exchange for me? 'Goodness had nothing to do with it' went completely over my head

Brakhage, Sunday, 19 October 2014 03:14 (nine years ago) link

Because inherent "good" has nothing to do with Doctoring as he sees it. The ability to see opportunity, the space between good & evil, to restore balance sans emotion...that's Doctoring, and that's what Clara did. DUN DUN DUN

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 October 2014 03:41 (nine years ago) link

effects in this were v fun & trippy

tiny tardis giant doctor was great

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 October 2014 03:41 (nine years ago) link

Ah ok thanks for that. I conflated it with the companion-bails arc they've muddled/discarded, I thought that dialogue had to do with that conflict

Yeah I was really impressed with the effects too! Though now I will expect Cenobites to come out of a seiged Tardis

Brakhage, Sunday, 19 October 2014 04:12 (nine years ago) link

that was all kinds of good... banter, TARDIS weirdness, creepy aliens. loved it!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 19 October 2014 07:15 (nine years ago) link

muddled/discarded

this arc is addressed and advanced in several scenes this episode

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Sunday, 19 October 2014 07:17 (nine years ago) link

great ep yeah. you can see why, as with Cross last year, Mathieson was immediately commissioned for a second episode to precede his first

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Sunday, 19 October 2014 07:18 (nine years ago) link

i think the dr's "goodness had nothing to do with it" is part of the concern that Frank Skinner raised last ep, re "it changes people" and Clara previously "addiction". the dr is concerned he's changing her, and not for the better, and for her own good he's going to be the one who puts an end to her stint.

But then how do you carry that through to there ever being any other companions in the tardis ever?

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 19 October 2014 10:13 (nine years ago) link

oh yeah, and btw, this was an amazing episode. I am going to re-watch the series and skip robot of sherwood, which I think tipped me early into under-appreciating the following eps.

Seems like a common view of this series is it's been better as a show, but it might be losing it's children-friendly episodes. (i.e. low on monsters)

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 19 October 2014 10:15 (nine years ago) link

is there any evidence for that - i mean is there any evidence that those are more children friendly? all the anecdotal evidence here and elsewhere suggests that children are enjoying this series as much (if not more in some cases) than others. that's on a, ahhh, 7-14 scale I think. With a rigorous sample size of about 6.

Fizzles, Sunday, 19 October 2014 10:21 (nine years ago) link

fair do. i'm only going on my kids who have lost interest, and random twitter chat. (RTC was overwhelmingly +ve after last night)

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 19 October 2014 10:40 (nine years ago) link

that sounds like a better sample than mine! shame tho. capaldi has been great. his little dance of pleasure after having accomplished that awkward TARDIS moving sequence was v amusing.

Fizzles, Sunday, 19 October 2014 10:52 (nine years ago) link

If anything, I feel this series has been a bit too kid-friendly: all the episodes so far have been pretty much been standalone stories about the monster-of-the-week, there's not much of an overarching plot... We've had a few glimpses of "Missy", but so far they've been kinda incomprehensible, and haven't really tied into the plots of the individual episodes except in a most superficial way. I know Moffat has been criticized for his needlessly complex and long plots, and I can see the point with something like the "Impossible Girl", but OTOH I hope he hasn't responded to the criticism by making the series completely episodic. My favourite series is still number 6, where I think there was a good balance between standalone episodes and the longer plot arc (the cracks in the universe) that managed to tie with the invidual episodes without overwhelming.

So far the only proper multi-episode arc has been for Clara's character development, which has been handled really well, but that kind of a thing should be business as usual for a TV show, not the main seasonal plot. Though yesterday's episode seemed to hint there's a connection between "Missy" and Clara (possibly she's a future incarnation of her?), so maybe Clara changing and starting to act like the Doctor is tied to the "Missy" plot? Maybe Clara becoming "the Doctor" in this ep was not just a reflection on her psychological change, but a hint that she will eventually evolve into something like the Doctor, i.e. Missy?

Or maybe Missy's supposed to be the "benevolent" flipside of the Doctor? The Doctor she can't save everyone, some folks have to die so that others can live (this theme was most obvious in the Dalek and Mummy eps), but so far the people Missy has saved are ones that the Doctor couldn't. That would also tie in with Doctor's comment discussed above, that goodness has nothing to do with being the Doctor. Maybe Missy is like a version of the Doctor who thinks she can be good, that she can save everyone?

Tuomas, Sunday, 19 October 2014 11:13 (nine years ago) link

"that managed to tie with the invidual episodes without overwhelming them"

Tuomas, Sunday, 19 October 2014 11:14 (nine years ago) link

Is Missy supposed to have anything to do with the anthropomorphic tardis we saw in that episode

cardamon, Sunday, 19 October 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link

I feel this series has been a bit too kid-friendly

It is a show for children. Feel like this season has really ramped up the horror actually, I was genuinely creeped out by this one.

Matt DC, Sunday, 19 October 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link

This was so much fun!

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 19 October 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link

not a single episode would i allow my 5-yr-old to see, that's for sure

giant hand pulling me backwards thru a train tunnel??? gggggnnnnhhhaaaah

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 October 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link

all the episodes so far have been pretty much been standalone stories about the monster-of-the-week, there's not much of an overarching plot.

This is a good thing.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Sunday, 19 October 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link

Time travelling future Danny is definitely part of an overarching plot, but given the kind of knots Moffatt usually ties himself up in when he attempts an overarching plot, I'm welcoming the scaling back of that side of things.

This is the best nu-Who season fwiw.

Matt DC, Sunday, 19 October 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link

This is the best nu-Who season fwiw.

Absolutely. No competition.

My Life with the Thrillho Kult (Leee), Monday, 20 October 2014 03:58 (nine years ago) link

I dunno, it's been arguably the most consistent, and the most well-paced, but there hasn't been a story anywhere near the calibre of say The Empty Child, Blink or Human Nature yet.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 20 October 2014 09:26 (nine years ago) link

Listen.

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Monday, 20 October 2014 11:13 (nine years ago) link

Good, but not up there.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 20 October 2014 11:18 (nine years ago) link

I agree with Chap, this season has been the most consistently good, but so far there hasn't been a really classic episode, none of the episodes have had that extra inch that pushes them beyond merely having a good concept and a good villain. Also, several eps, particularly "Listen", have been marred by having an overtly long and finger-pointing end monologue that explains what the episode was about, even though it was already obvious without the monologue.

Tuomas, Monday, 20 October 2014 11:23 (nine years ago) link

(also the TV version of Human Nature is p weak)

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Monday, 20 October 2014 11:24 (nine years ago) link

I disagree (not read the book).

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 20 October 2014 11:26 (nine years ago) link

there hasn't been a story anywhere near the calibre of say The Empty Child, Blink or Human Nature yet.

The same could be said for virtually the entire Moffatt era.

Matt DC, Monday, 20 October 2014 11:28 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I kind of agree with that. Moffat definitely did his best writing for RTD.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 20 October 2014 11:29 (nine years ago) link

Though Eleventh Hour is probably the best regeneration story ever.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 20 October 2014 11:29 (nine years ago) link

IMO Moffat's strengths as shorunner have been in the longer plot arcs, which have definitely been better during his run than during Davies's. That's exactly why I was mourning the seeming lack of those during this season; we haven't had any individual episodes as brilliant as the best of the Davies era, but neither have we had the sort of intriguing series-spanning plots that made Moffat's first two series so watchable.

Tuomas, Monday, 20 October 2014 11:49 (nine years ago) link

Also, the "Elevent Hour" was a premium example of how to do a good end monologue: it was short, snappy and established the new Doctor as a force to be reckoned with. Compared to that, this season's closing monologues have been closer to those scenes that always came at the end of Masters of the Universe, where He-Man explained to the kids what was the moral of this week's episode.

Tuomas, Monday, 20 October 2014 11:53 (nine years ago) link

i'd rather watch capaldi and coleman hanging wallpaper together than any shenanigans you could cook up with gillan and smith

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 October 2014 11:55 (nine years ago) link

intriguing series-spanning plots that made Moffat's first two series so watchable.

See I found the season arcs hopelessly convoluted, distracting, and shoddily resolved mostly (the one in Smith's first season was OK).

I think it makes a difference that I grew up on Old-Who; I expect Dr. Who to be almost an anthology series with minimal to no continuity between stories. I know in this age of boxsets you have to have some kind of 'arc', but I think this is the first Moffat season to achieve an agreeable balance between that and self-contained episodes.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 20 October 2014 12:02 (nine years ago) link

The same could be said for virtually the entire Moffatt era.

Also the RTD era, once you take out the Moffatt episodes

Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Monday, 20 October 2014 12:21 (nine years ago) link


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