TS: Billy Corgan vs. Stephen Malkmus

"obscured" is way dreamy

nothing made me feel more alienated from my social cohort than the popularity of smashing pumpkins when i was in high school

both are shallow songwriters, although Corgan less willingly so (I doubt Malkmus would blanche at being told he was), but Corgan gets a pass for helping songwriters who understand shallowness-is-depth (e.g. Courtney Love) better than he.

I'm not making sense, so I'll just claim Malkmus' 'flash' had no chance of mainstream acceptance, while Corgan's eventually expired its half life.

Corgan looks like he suffered from halitosis to accompany his neurosis.

y'all don't understand. this is the core, the heart music

― bun b bag (crüt),

no idea what cores and hearts are

(asking for posts very much in character attention but hey)

Malkmus was always so mean to Spiral Stairs. But he never went on Alex Jones spouting paranoid bullshit, so him.

During the Pavement days, I always wished for more Spiral Stairs songs. Then Pavement broke up and we got Preston School of Industry and I was forced to eat my words. Malkmus knew the truth.

This is going to be one of those "the fight is so vicious because the stakes are so small" situations, isn't it.

i think this poll could literally change the world

Corgan takes it, because he makes music to believe in.

lol

I mean maybe if Billy had written a decent gospel song or something but c'mon now let's be serious

i feel like it is just obvious! i would vote for a day-old sandwich i left in my purse overnight over billy corgan! let alone malkmus, whom i love.

narcissism is not really a viable belief system unless your church only has one member: you

xp

"believe in me as i believe in you"

separate the artist from the art

i feel like it is just obvious! i would vote for a day-old sandwich i left in my purse overnight over billy corgan! let alone malkmus, whom i love.

― horseshoe,

Corgan:

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/62/d0/f9/62d0f9216a0097ff148d03c1c1b7f79e.jpg

Billy Corgan vs. Dave Mustaine

his narcissism is all over his art, is the problem

well one of the problems anyway

Alfred, you sure that spread isn't from another Billy- Crystal- in This Is Spinal Tap?

i feel like it is just obvious! i would vote for a day-old sandwich i left in my purse overnight over billy corgan!

― horseshoe, Monday, October 13, 2014 6:51 PM (

his narcissism is a feature not a bug

his narcissism is all over his art, is the problem

well one of the problems anyway

― Οὖτις, Monday, October 13, 2014 7:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anymore than John Lennon or Kurt Cobain? probably less

I did like that one one-off of his that da croupier had a screen name after- Zwan.

Loved and still love both. Ranged Life's ~shots fired~ lyrics were traumatic at the time. For a minute or so, but still. Corgan quite literally grew up to be an insufferable dumbass, Malkmus became the awkward, quiet uncle who drinks a bit too much and you feel kind of sorry for at family reunions. Both shot to fame only to completely bomb after that. Corgan went all out berserk religion and wrestling style, Malkmus resigned to some "ok" noodling on his guitar being nothing better than a very poor man's Ted Leo-imitation.

Corgan sunk deeper, but at least he jumped the shark grotesquely and in an enjoyable/insufferable way. Malkmus just seems to try to disappear more and more, trying to be "witty" in the process, releasing mediocre albums every three years.

Voting Corgan. He tanked it but he tanked it good.

otm

"Range Life" *shots fired* wasn't The Statement critics said it was. Flash guy, meet fellow flash guy. Plus, writers will die for a witty stanza.

i.e. false binary

as opposed to the very substantial binaries you've been filling this thread with

What was it then? Teenage me heard Malkmus flaming Corgan. Difficult to hear it otherwise tbh

Xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTjolEUj00g

as opposed to the very substantial binaries you've been filling this thread with

― some dude,

ugly vs not ugly guitarist -- what else counts?

This thread inspired me to listen to Wig Out at Jagbags and, like with every Malkmus solo album, I find myself thinking "Hey, this isn't as bad as I was expecting" knowing full well I'll never play it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wymViayJyG4

Otm. Malkmus became so dreadfully "ok" yet utterly, completely boring it is just as much insufferable as Corgan's all out madness. Xp

i've got a bald head / my name is yul brynner / and i am a famous movie star

would rather hear Corgan sing "Embassy Row" these days

picturing corgan singing "fight this generation"

Hey people, sisters and brothers, brothers and sisters, come on now. That means everybody just cool out.

the Range Life lyric is pretty mild, but then again he does lump the pumpkins in with stone temple pilots, which really is a shot in the back. either way, it had real consequences because Corgan forced Pavement off of Lollapalooza in 1994 by threatening not to play, after they had replaced Nirvana as the headliners.

Malkmus was always so mean to Spiral Stairs.

malkmus was not at all mean to spiral stairs during the reunion shows, but i felt kinda bad because the former was basically a rock god and the latter basically looked like paul simon

run them both through a wood chipper and use them as chum.

voted Corgan.

Spiral Stairs basically sucks

I just want to remind everyone that this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3tV8n-CVnA#t=22263

...and then again, this also happened:

https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/s960x960/10537192_10102666232156215_742803194163461979_o.jpg

what -- those jeans?

Can't see the image, is he wearing Bob Weir Daisy Duke jorts?

malkmus but i'm having a hard time coming up with strong feelings about this. i guess my main argument would be that most of the stuff corgan has done is completely embarassing but i'll always have time for cherub rock and rhinoceros.

is Weir Daisy Duke Jorts the follow-up to Wigwam Jagoff At Jackie Jormp-Jomp's?

smashing pumpkins are that rare band where I really can't understand why anyone likes their music at all, it's just so horrible

there isn't a band on the planet I wouldn't vote for ahead of smashing pumpkins

Afraid I'm not familiar with that particular opus.
(Xp)

The right guy won.

This is one of the biggest votecounts I've ever seen in an ILM poll. Not sure how I feel about that.

perfect.

oh wait, i was thinking of Billy Ocean. my bad.

malky got exactly 3 times more votes than corgy :(

plus 2

Do we even have 130 active users on this forum?

Malkmus had it way to easy. Corgan would even lose in a favorite member of the SP poll.

Too easy*

"Destroy the mind, destroy the body, but you cannot destroy the heart."

FWIW, I think this is the best lyric BC ever wrote. it'd be cool to see what y'all think is SM's best line.

probably my fave Malkmus lyric is from "I owned Corgan in that ILX poll / I'm not from Portland I'm from Charlottes-vee-ole"

while yes, corgan got less than a quarter of the votes, i think he should be very flattered 38 people here love him more than malkmus

woops, 32.

every one of those votes was from the heart. all the pro-malkmus votes were ironic.

i'm on a pisces, we pick up on those things

now let's do james iha vs spiral stairs

*i'm a pisces

there is not a person that doesn't have an opinion about this, is the point.

We should have a favorite member of the Smashing Pumpkins poll. I honestly don't think Corgan could even win that.

Moka: DO IT!

Ok. But there are three options for the poll:

Original members which would be - Iha, Corgan, D'Arcy and Chamberlin only.
All album members: Billy Corgan, Jeff Schroeder. James Iha, D'arcy Wretzky, Jimmy Chamberlin, Melissa Auf der Maur, Mike Byrne, Nicole Fiorentino.
All album members + touring members.

I think I'll go for the second option.

don't forget Tommy Lee lol

which one's the teenager that won that contest I vote for them

Yeah, agreed on the second option. Jonathan Melvoin rip :-/

Shit I forgot Tommy Lee.

Who is your favorite member of the Smashing Pumpkins?