TS: Billy Corgan vs. Stephen Malkmus

Alfred, you sure that spread isn't from another Billy- Crystal- in This Is Spinal Tap?

i feel like it is just obvious! i would vote for a day-old sandwich i left in my purse overnight over billy corgan!

― horseshoe, Monday, October 13, 2014 6:51 PM (

his narcissism is a feature not a bug

his narcissism is all over his art, is the problem

well one of the problems anyway

― Οὖτις, Monday, October 13, 2014 7:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anymore than John Lennon or Kurt Cobain? probably less

I did like that one one-off of his that da croupier had a screen name after- Zwan.

Loved and still love both. Ranged Life's ~shots fired~ lyrics were traumatic at the time. For a minute or so, but still. Corgan quite literally grew up to be an insufferable dumbass, Malkmus became the awkward, quiet uncle who drinks a bit too much and you feel kind of sorry for at family reunions. Both shot to fame only to completely bomb after that. Corgan went all out berserk religion and wrestling style, Malkmus resigned to some "ok" noodling on his guitar being nothing better than a very poor man's Ted Leo-imitation.

Corgan sunk deeper, but at least he jumped the shark grotesquely and in an enjoyable/insufferable way. Malkmus just seems to try to disappear more and more, trying to be "witty" in the process, releasing mediocre albums every three years.

Voting Corgan. He tanked it but he tanked it good.

otm

"Range Life" *shots fired* wasn't The Statement critics said it was. Flash guy, meet fellow flash guy. Plus, writers will die for a witty stanza.

i.e. false binary

as opposed to the very substantial binaries you've been filling this thread with

What was it then? Teenage me heard Malkmus flaming Corgan. Difficult to hear it otherwise tbh

Xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTjolEUj00g

as opposed to the very substantial binaries you've been filling this thread with

― some dude,

ugly vs not ugly guitarist -- what else counts?

This thread inspired me to listen to Wig Out at Jagbags and, like with every Malkmus solo album, I find myself thinking "Hey, this isn't as bad as I was expecting" knowing full well I'll never play it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wymViayJyG4

Otm. Malkmus became so dreadfully "ok" yet utterly, completely boring it is just as much insufferable as Corgan's all out madness. Xp

i've got a bald head / my name is yul brynner / and i am a famous movie star

would rather hear Corgan sing "Embassy Row" these days

picturing corgan singing "fight this generation"

Hey people, sisters and brothers, brothers and sisters, come on now. That means everybody just cool out.

the Range Life lyric is pretty mild, but then again he does lump the pumpkins in with stone temple pilots, which really is a shot in the back. either way, it had real consequences because Corgan forced Pavement off of Lollapalooza in 1994 by threatening not to play, after they had replaced Nirvana as the headliners.

Malkmus was always so mean to Spiral Stairs.

malkmus was not at all mean to spiral stairs during the reunion shows, but i felt kinda bad because the former was basically a rock god and the latter basically looked like paul simon

run them both through a wood chipper and use them as chum.

voted Corgan.

Spiral Stairs basically sucks

I just want to remind everyone that this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3tV8n-CVnA#t=22263

...and then again, this also happened:

https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/s960x960/10537192_10102666232156215_742803194163461979_o.jpg

what -- those jeans?

Can't see the image, is he wearing Bob Weir Daisy Duke jorts?

malkmus but i'm having a hard time coming up with strong feelings about this. i guess my main argument would be that most of the stuff corgan has done is completely embarassing but i'll always have time for cherub rock and rhinoceros.

is Weir Daisy Duke Jorts the follow-up to Wigwam Jagoff At Jackie Jormp-Jomp's?

smashing pumpkins are that rare band where I really can't understand why anyone likes their music at all, it's just so horrible

there isn't a band on the planet I wouldn't vote for ahead of smashing pumpkins

Afraid I'm not familiar with that particular opus.
(Xp)

tbh i think it's kind of cool when someone with a piercingly unpleasant voice, ridiculous pretensions and a toxic personality muscles their way to multi-million sales with a good ear for hooks. Malkmus got pretty much exactly where he was likely to land with his influences and skill set, Corgan's ascent was so unlikely as to be almost illogical.

Take both these guys over Grohl's nice guy ubiquituous torchbearer of rock bullshit

^this actually

is grohl a secret asshole? hadn't heard

well obviously. courntey love's "He’s just a sub-mediocre kind of guy who does this ‘nice guy’ nonsense” is just searing, but otm.

xp

malkmus was not at all mean to spiral stairs during the reunion shows, but i felt kinda bad because the former was basically a rock god and the latter basically looked like paul simon.

Man, imagine being the Garfunkel, but looking like the Simon.

I was always on SS' side until I finally heard the full version of Nothing Ever Happens.

I mean, more like Wounded Cat, amirite?

kannberg looked completely miserable by the end of the pavement reunion show i saw but oh well

Corgan. Pavement are/were fucking wank.

I just feel it's easier to tell Malkmus to shut up.

There is something really nasty and insecure about Corgan's extroverts ways and I can't stand that, despite the fact that I've always enjoyed his desire to create a broad landscape as music and many other ideas behind the Smashing Pumpkins. So yeah sure Pavement didn't shoot for the moon the same way, but they hit the right notes with me.

Malkmus was always so mean to Spiral Stairs.

malkmus was not at all mean to spiral stairs during the reunion shows, but i felt kinda bad because the former was basically a rock god and the latter basically looked like paul simon

― mookieproof, Monday, 13 October 2014 23:41 (Yesterday) Permalink

thought at the reunion show I caught malkmus played half-heartedly whenever a SS number was up

these reunion shows sound pretty much like exactly the ones I saw in the 90s.

Well, minus the

http://i.imgur.com/3lZIgTF.jpg

feel uncomfortable even having to cast a vote for one of these straight white male pieces of human trash, but malkmus

well obviously. courntey love's "He’s just a sub-mediocre kind of guy who does this ‘nice guy’ nonsense” is just searing

I'm far more pro-Courtney than most but I wouldn't take her opinions on people in Kurt's inner circle as gospel. I think people are just loath to admit that people who are famous at least partially for being "nice" might genuinely be nice because they don't like their output.

i think we can all agree that kurt would've hated the foo fighters (as they were after he wasn't, at least)

Moka: DO IT!

Ok. But there are three options for the poll:

Original members which would be - Iha, Corgan, D'Arcy and Chamberlin only.
All album members: Billy Corgan, Jeff Schroeder. James Iha, D'arcy Wretzky, Jimmy Chamberlin, Melissa Auf der Maur, Mike Byrne, Nicole Fiorentino.
All album members + touring members.

I think I'll go for the second option.

don't forget Tommy Lee lol

which one's the teenager that won that contest I vote for them

Yeah, agreed on the second option. Jonathan Melvoin rip :-/

Shit I forgot Tommy Lee.

Who is your favorite member of the Smashing Pumpkins?