Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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people never understand Occam's razor

GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:17 (nine years ago) link

is that the most obvious explanation tho?

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link

who doesn't understand occam's razor? is that the same ppl who don't understand rhetoric or different ppl?

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0FBWe0CEAA4Cao.png

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link

lonely guy, thinking baout #GamerGate

Barry Gordy (Neil S), Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link

lonely guy just investigating baout games

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link

omg lol

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link

*hi five*

Barry Gordy (Neil S), Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link

nice, very nice

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link

xpost would post my character high-fiving yours but they used up all the precious kilobytes so you could play as a GIRL

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link

perfect url

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link

“I don’t, like, have a passion for games or anything,” he told BuzzFeed News.

“I don’t, like, have a passion for games or anything,” he told BuzzFeed News.

“I don’t, like, have a passion for games or anything,” he told BuzzFeed News.

“I don’t, like, have a passion for games or anything,” he told BuzzFeed News.

“I don’t, like, have a passion for games or anything,” he told BuzzFeed News.

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:31 (nine years ago) link

Asked what he would say to women who have been terrified by death threats and anonymous harassment, Gjoni said, “I can’t deny my letter was the spark. I guess I feel compelled to offer an apology to them. But also I don’t know how to do that without taking the responsibility away from people who are actually doing the harassment. But, I guess, let me know how I can make it up to you?”

he said while twirling his whiplash mustache, stroking a white cat and laughing maniacally

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:33 (nine years ago) link

more like, said while confusedly scratching the top of his head with one hand while idly tugging on his scrotum with the other

💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link

harder to do than it sounds

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link

this made me lol for some reason

If I could go back in time and tell myself not to do this. I wouldn’t. That is, I wouldn’t tell myself not to. Because it’s for the best.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link

possibly because it's fucking stupid

💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link

“I spent the better part of a month planning all contingencies,” he told BuzzFeed News. “I gave this outcome an exceedingly low probability.”

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:41 (nine years ago) link

lmao for srs m8 wow

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link

The math checks out. Culture war: 0.4% probability.

jmm, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link

*ponders time travel and the nature of regret*

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link

We spend so much time making fun of these guys for being dependent upon their moms and here we have ironclad evidence that if at least one of them had been more dependent upon his mom, this whole shitstorm wouldn't have happened.

💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:50 (nine years ago) link

Real friends don't tell friends to write blog posts whining about their failed relationships

Nhex, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link

seriously

anonanon, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link

9,000 words is 20 pages single-spaced.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link

Gjoni, who emigrated with his parents from Albania when he was 6, had been recruited to the position while he was still in college. Recently, his supervisors noticed that he looked haggard and wasn’t getting much work done, and asked him if he wanted to resign. Gjoni said yes.

“Internet warfare takes a surprising amount of dedication,” he said. Indeed, Gjoni, despite his protestations that he wrote thezoepost for ethical reasons unrelated to gaming, seems unable to leave the cause his writing sparked alone. He admits to regularly advising GamerGate leaders, and seems to take some pride in the power he claims to exert over the movement, as well as over the effect the movement has had on gaming journalism.

“I’ve had to…keep it from splitting the earth in two,” he said.

you deluded arrogant incoherent narcissist

goole, Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:47 (nine years ago) link

like, even if he did feel he owed the world something to warn against someone else being emotionally manipulated or w/e he could have just made his point in two sentences

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link

"Hey y'all, my ex cheated on me; avoid her" <--- see, you can do it in one sentence

💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:54 (nine years ago) link

he's very 24

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link

Part of this belief seems to stem from his assertion that “thezoepost” was not a misogynistic character assassination, as it has been painted online, but a “callout post” detailing Quinn’s purported misdeeds and hypocrisies as an emblem of social justice. Indeed, Gjoni told BuzzFeed News, as he has written elsewhere, that he considers himself a social justice advocate.

that was the sense I got from his screed--that it was mostly about knocking his ex off an SJ pedestal

you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link

that is a very generous reading

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:02 (nine years ago) link

it was a revenge blog about an ex attacking her at the angle he thought would hurt her most
I don't see how that's a charitable reading

you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link

it implies thought, which is a charitable thing to grant to this dummy

💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link

and it implies his logic makes any sense whatsoever

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link

the constant need to find contradictions in others by dredging through minutiae is not how you relate to other humans

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link

it's how "internet discourse" works for a lot of people, line-by-line microanalysis of every choice of word and particle.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:46 (nine years ago) link

I was that guy to an extent in my past but it was always much more about me than whoever I was interacting with

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:48 (nine years ago) link

don't forget the red lines and arrows!

xp

goole, Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link

I don't know guys, when I read a piece that keeps explaining to me that its target has betrayed her own righteous principles re:consent, and keeps asking the target to square her actions with her SJ stances, then it sort of leads me to believe there's an attack on the target's SJ cred going on. It's crazy, but that was part of what he was trying to do. He wound up making himself a lot shitty new buddies, though.

you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:54 (nine years ago) link

dude quit his job for this shit. so much of what these people do is incomprehensible to me.

goole, Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link

Thing that really bothers me about this whole thing is it's hard not to see it as a sort of indictment of games in a way. (and yes #notallgamers etc etc I'm not accusing anyone ITT or myself anything)....but it's hard for me not to look at the whole body of games in a different way, that this reactionary conservatism and paranoia and credulity about ridiculous conspiracy theories is really part of the DNA of the art itself, I tweeted as a joke (then erased because i'm shook now) that "It's not surprising that people brought up consuming plots about ludicrous, adolescent conspiracy theories would fall for one in real life"....and it was a joke but the more I think about it, this sort of reactionary conservatism is really a part of games....the lone man standing up to "oppression" through violence, the conspiracies on top of conspiracies, the terrible machismo and casual sexism, racism and homophobia in online gaming, the jockish asshole nature of competitive/pro gaming....i don't know i'm not being super articulate but it's hard not to see everything through a different lens....like think about the id Software guys like Carmack and Romero, that was late 80s/early 90s but tell me those guys wouldn't have bought into this "Suck it feminists" stuff? Duke Nukem? Leisure Suit Larry? This strain has been there from the very beginning, games worldview is essentially a reactionary conservative worldview so why was I so surprised that this is what a substantial part of the audience would be like?

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:58 (nine years ago) link

oh PK, you read his 9000 word diatribe? I suppose I should do that if I want to credibly make fun of this dude but OTOH I don't think reading that would get me to stop laughing at how dumb he is or what a terrible idea all of this was in the first place

so while I might be mocking from an uninformed position, I really only have one counter-argument: lol

💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:00 (nine years ago) link

yeah i gotta say this shitshow is a small-but-significant (and growing) part of me wanting to give up on this activity altogether

goole, Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0FmdMHCIAAJEt6.png

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link

I kind of wanted to check out the new WoW expansion just to see how the game's changed but honestly fuck going back into that world with random ppl I don't know

also holy shit

💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link

"It's not surprising that people brought up consuming plots about ludicrous, adolescent conspiracy theories would fall for one in real life"....and it was a joke but the more I think about it, this sort of reactionary conservatism is really a part of games....the lone man standing up to "oppression" through violence, the conspiracies on top of conspiracies, the terrible machismo and casual sexism, racism and homophobia in online gaming

― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, October 16, 2014 2:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dont really feel like its fair to even categorize this as gaming culture tho its so america 2014, anything thats not overtly opposed to that sort of thing is prob gonna have a significant contingent of it

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:06 (nine years ago) link

#imwitchu

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link

the cartoonish over the top faux-masculinity (enough qualifiers?) of gamers almost seems like an over-reaction by a subset of young men who can't or don't want to aspire to more traditional forms of masculinity. attack games, particularly the way in which they make this alternative viable, then you attack a very fragile ego prop.

ryan, Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link


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