TS: Billy Corgan vs. Stephen Malkmus

the core audience, the heart audience

These two, though. They're a strong case for why aging sucks.

― Moka, Friday, October 17, 2014 3:43 PM (Yesterday)

i don't understand this.. Malkmus' music is consistently decent to good and the guy seems pretty healthy.. well-mosturized, at least.

last couple Jicks records are up there w/face the truth, their music is better than anything Thurston, Beck, or Lee Ranaldo have put out for years. And sure, rating Jicks albums is a subjective endeavor. But, shit, Malk's post-pavement output is as consistent as Starbucks. Can't say much for Billy Corgan, but yeah, Siamese Dream is awesome.

Billy Corgan > Beck > Milkymoose

TS: Pavement / Smashing Pumpkins

Ray Rogers: You've said that [your last album] Siamese Dream was born out of a lot of personal and band-related crises. What was the impetus for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness?

Billy Corgan:It was basically a big "fuck-off" to anyone who has doubted us as a band. In a positive way, I wanted to really embrace the notions of creativity, to just go as far out as we wanted to go and not get too hung up about the commercial aspects.

RR:What kinds of doubts are you talking about?

BC: Doubts about the band actually coming together to make a record. I wanted to squash all that like a bug.

James Iha: It's a double record-that just doesn't happen if people aren't together on every level.

RR:Billy, you got a lot a lot of criticism last time around for playing some of the guitar and bass parts [on Siamese Dream]. How did you react to that with this record?

BC: We worked out systems by which those things wouldn't happen this time. Nobody understands the scenario: We were under different pressures, different economic constraints. Not everybody moves as quickly as I do. James comes up with great ideas; it just takes him twice as long as it takes me. So I try not to penalize anybody for the speed at which they move.

JI: It doesn't really take me twice as long.

BC:It's a general comment.

DH: Well, yeah.

These two, though. They're a strong case for why aging sucks.

― Moka, Friday, October 17, 2014 3:43 PM (Yesterday)

i don't understand this.. Malkmus' music is consistently decent to good and the guy seems pretty healthy.. well-mosturized, at least.

last couple Jicks records are up there w/face the truth, their music is better than anything Thurston, Beck, or Lee Ranaldo have put out for years. And sure, rating Jicks albums is a subjective endeavor. But, shit, Malk's post-pavement output is as consistent as Starbucks. Can't say much for Billy Corgan, but yeah, Siamese Dream is awesome.

― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:08 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh man, that new Pumpkins single. As a song it's whatever, but the production is so late-model CVS Bangers. It's on some Edwin McCain shit.

malkmus = boring uncle good at crossword
corgan = crazy cat lady

struck by a surface thought that it seems so incongruous pavement came out of suburban california, how do teenagers get into the fall or the replacements or w/e in stockton in the late 80s? record stores? hippie burnouts like gary young?

outic probably knows

college

yeah

or did SM & Spiral have a hs band (lakespeed?) doing that sort of stuff?

College radio, NME/MelodyMaker, bay area weirdos

The myth is that Pavement came out of central California. Malkmus only lived there sporadically during summer/holiday breaks from 1983 on (boarding school in Carpenteria before getting expelled, then Charlottesville, VA). He had been living in New York (with future Pavement member Bob Nasty and then-bandmate DC Berman) by the time the first single Slay Tracks was released.

the next Pumpkins record is called Monuments to an Elegy. feel like I am being personally trolled with this title

http://www.netphoria.org/wp-content/gallery/billy-corgan/bc20.jpg

Easy choice, this.

new smashing pumpkins single almost makes me wish i could switch my vote to malkmus

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Voted Corgan. Weirdo freakshow over Portland hipster in a rock band. Also, Zero will never not be amazing to sing along to in a car. As much as I think Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain album is as close to a perfect album as a rock band should hope for, singing "Emptiness is loneliness/ and loneliness is cleanliness/and cleanliness and godliness/ and God is Empty, just like Me" will be a joy that will amuse me well into my 70s.

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Lol lotta votes!

a lot of incorrect votes

32 to be exact

The right guy won.

This is one of the biggest votecounts I've ever seen in an ILM poll. Not sure how I feel about that.

perfect.

oh wait, i was thinking of Billy Ocean. my bad.

malky got exactly 3 times more votes than corgy :(

plus 2

Do we even have 130 active users on this forum?

Malkmus had it way to easy. Corgan would even lose in a favorite member of the SP poll.

Too easy*

"Destroy the mind, destroy the body, but you cannot destroy the heart."

FWIW, I think this is the best lyric BC ever wrote. it'd be cool to see what y'all think is SM's best line.

probably my fave Malkmus lyric is from "I owned Corgan in that ILX poll / I'm not from Portland I'm from Charlottes-vee-ole"

while yes, corgan got less than a quarter of the votes, i think he should be very flattered 38 people here love him more than malkmus

woops, 32.

every one of those votes was from the heart. all the pro-malkmus votes were ironic.

i'm on a pisces, we pick up on those things

now let's do james iha vs spiral stairs

*i'm a pisces

there is not a person that doesn't have an opinion about this, is the point.

We should have a favorite member of the Smashing Pumpkins poll. I honestly don't think Corgan could even win that.

Moka: DO IT!

Ok. But there are three options for the poll:

Original members which would be - Iha, Corgan, D'Arcy and Chamberlin only.
All album members: Billy Corgan, Jeff Schroeder. James Iha, D'arcy Wretzky, Jimmy Chamberlin, Melissa Auf der Maur, Mike Byrne, Nicole Fiorentino.
All album members + touring members.

I think I'll go for the second option.

don't forget Tommy Lee lol

which one's the teenager that won that contest I vote for them

Yeah, agreed on the second option. Jonathan Melvoin rip :-/

Shit I forgot Tommy Lee.

Who is your favorite member of the Smashing Pumpkins?