socal vs. norcal

thanks for the water norcal

for the purposes of this poll, I'm defining norcal as anything north of SLO and socal as anything south.

SLO itself = no man's land where peace treaties can be made. and uh, Bakersfield goes to whoever loses.

Yeah, two states, and maybe we can exchange Eurekaland for parts of Oregon.

the CA county map provides a very clear hint to where northern california ends and southern california begins:

http://www.cagenweb.com/plumas/map_files/image007.gif

SFian: We HATE those Angelinos!

LAian: Who did you say hates us?

Shakey mentioned it above, but it's worth repeating

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yreka,_California

In November 1941, Yreka was designated as the capital of the proposed State of Jefferson, a secession movement along the Oregon and California border that has gained cultural traction in the following decades.

That's awesome. I never realized the straight line.

Pretty close, too.

Kingds/Tulare/Inyo seem more SoCal to me, but I can accept being forced to include them for this exercise.

the state of jefferson is a retarded idea. it would have the population of oakland.

That county map gives norcal a majority of the state. To compensate, socal can have Fresno County and East.

It would be more retarded if it had Oakland's actual population ... including its civil servants.

i guess the key for me here is where would i want to live in socal outside of l.a., and where would i want to live in norcal outside of the bay area? the answers would be nowhere and several places, respectively, so i choose norcal.

That county map gives norcal a majority of the state. To compensate, socal can have Fresno County and East.

No way. Parts of Fresno Co. extend further north than Southern San Francisco Co.

We won't take Fresno Co. without compensation.

i guess the key for me here is where would i want to live in socal outside of l.a., and where would i want to live in norcal outside of the bay area? the answers would be nowhere and several places, respectively, so i choose norcal.

santa barbara? san luis obispo? san diego? pomona?

Options abound down here, man!

Hahahaha! Troll award for today!

lolol i was thinking more of the inland counties and of the fact that the bay area is still south of sacto (which is often referred to as central valley even if it is clearly in the northern half of the state). i've only lived in california for three years though, sorry to be a gabbneb.

That county map gives norcal a majority of the state. To compensate, socal can have Fresno County and East.

Fixed:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8042/cali.png

xp BLAM: we'll keep Madera county, how's that?

hahaha great map

COALINGA VS NORCO

well even if i concede SLO and SB to an extent, i think the hideousness of southeastern cali still tips it in favor of norcal

xp BLAM: we'll keep Madera county, how's that?

I'll take it to the committee. 7 pm, No. 2 lane of the 405, just south of the 10. Can everyone make it?

Hmmm. If libcrypt's newest representation is correct, I claim Mendocino Co. as a colony. They have a few good breweries up there.

totally not down with libcrypt's map!! Avenue of the Giants! Humboldt weed! Klamath River!

nobody wants to claim san berdoo/riverside/imperial... can't they be their own state?

pomona BLAM are you fucking serious!? I moved AWAY from there!

My knowledge of north-northern Cali is sparse, so I'm sure I have perp'd many an injustice with my insouciant map.

actually the recent election maps are pretty O_o to what is Norcal vs. Socal.

nobody wants to claim san berdoo

Fogerty!

pomona BLAM are you fucking serious!? I moved AWAY from there!

Sellout.

if you order a burrito and it has rice in it you are in northern california

nobody wants to claim san berdoo

Fogerty!

Gotta give credit where its due...he's an East Bay guy.

Fogerty namedrops the weirdest places in Cali

"if you order a burrito and it has rice in it you are in northern california"

Pretty sure I've had rice in a San Diego burrito, but it's been a while.

most of our burritos have rice. i believe the burritos-sans-rice is a san diego thing. (and by extension a mexico thing.)

xpost

Alright...here's an idea.

First, whats the line of demarcation?

I would argue that Carmel/Monterey is where Northern California starts. Any takers/dissenters?

Man, I am totes wading into religious territory here, but I have heard that the taqueria concept is a Norcal, or specifically SF, one. If I'm wrong, please don't tear me up like a chimp on xanax.

I already made it official up-thread!

Because, clearly...most of the diehard NorCalians want NorCal to be ANYTHING north of Ventura.

above SLO = norcal and below = socal

gonna vote as a tourist and cali lover not a resident and say

redwoods np, lassen, yosemite>>>>>>>>>>>>>>death valley, joshua tree

joshua tree >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else in the state

better?

http://21grand.org/cali.png

Ned, you are from the Maryland/Missouri of California.

My dad more than me but I am a spiritual citizen of the place.

xp Hahaha

you're giving up ZZYZX Rd. to New Nevada? you fucking traitor

i would consider norcal to be san jose and points north. give or take a few miles.

hahahaha zzyzx road!

San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara are socal. Any diehard Northern Californian should know this.

Anyway the real battle is Contra Costa County vs. Inland Empire.

above SLO = norcal and below = socal

I can dig this. I need at least some more participation before I continue on to my next few points.

"i would consider norcal to be san jose and points north. give or take a few miles."

No way Santa Cruz is Socal.

Dude, New Nevada also gets most of the prisons, pollution, and meth labs.

Furthermore, all the things that I think of as quintessentially Californian (with a couple of exceptions: hippies, for one) all have their genesis in SoCal culture.

Sky Saxon of the Seeds coined the term "flower children" and the Sunset Strip scene was happening before anything was going on in SF. The scene up there only took off once they started shutting down clubs on the Strip and people started moving up north. So LA should get credit/blame for hippies too.

if you do Tahoe, have breakfast at the Squeeze Inn in Truckee. a) Truckee's pretty freaking delightful and b) excellent omlettes etc - though don't go on the weekend or you'll have to wait forever to get in.

and the Donner Party memorial at Donner State Park (just outside Truckee) is a good photo op

eureka and arcata are great!

I mean they're like alright places or w/e but they're great jumping off points for seeing redwoods idk

but then again I dont know about the lolweather right now

I'm not too picky about weather

we used to camp up somewhere near the Redwood State Forest, goddamn it's beautiful up there

but that was, like, 8 years ago so I'm really no help at all :/

Have any of you ever heard Northern California referred to as "No Cal"? I just got a memo from a colleague in our Irvine office referring to some Bay Area projects that way.

prop 13 is bad but if it were repealed for standard homeowners the vast majority of them in california would go bankrupt, most likely, such is the rate of real estate inflation in parts of this state. I believe they are now working on looking to repeal it for certain business transactions.

bump?

the only good city in california is san diego

eh

what are you basing that on, sleepingbag?

# of people who can be trolled in california w/ one line

iatee otm.

Have any of you ever heard Northern California referred to as "No Cal"?

I may have heard it years ago on *gulp* sports talk radio.

I divide california up into left and right cal. it's such a so cal thing to do.

prop 13 is bad but if it were repealed for standard homeowners the vast majority of them in california would go bankrupt

I highly doubt that