avant-garde anachronism in old paintings

http://i.imgur.com/ljty4UJl.jpg

detail from "A Bacchanalian Piece. Sir Thomas Samwell and his Friends" by Philippe Mercier (c. 1733)

very Facebook.

http://i.imgur.com/ljty4UJl.jpg

Thought this thread was gonna be about that Caravaggio with a Campbell's soup can in it

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Artemisia_Gentileschi_-_Self-Portrait_as_a_Lute_Player.JPG/956px-Artemisia_Gentileschi_-_Self-Portrait_as_a_Lute_Player.JPG

It is a selfie, btw.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_Gentileschi

http://uploads8.wikiart.org/images/matthias-gr%C3%BCnewald/the-resurrection-of-christ-right-wing-of-the-isenheim-altarpiece.jpg

LOVING The Isenheim Altarpiece, check out Super Saiyan Jesus here.

http://uploads6.wikiart.org/images/matthias-gr%C3%BCnewald/st-anthony-visiting-st-paul-the-hermit-in-the-desert-left-wing-of-the-isenheim-altar-1516.jpg

Some proto Frazetta, same Altarpiece.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l28k25qCxb1qb6k80o1_500.jpg

i'm missing the connection. fantasy gothic?

The landscape behind them mainly.

Not really but I wanted to post this somewhere.

too real pic.twitter.com/coNZZlYlN9

— Farah Rose Smith (@farahrosesmith) March 1, 2018

for real tho, some og sorcerers claimed to be able to send sound/images through the air or communicate across the globe instantly or know other's thoughts without speaking to them. these magical things have now become daily routine; we all do these to the point of mundanity.

you know those old alchemists were fucked up on opium and mercury. imo drugs + technology = the future. same thing happened in the 60s with home computers/the internet.

olmec sculpture, just on tv

https://uncoveredhistory.com/images/W0354-Villahermosa-Museo-de-Antropologia-Jaguar-On-Wheels-500x500.jpg

can't find a better picture online but the view of this from the front looks like mickey mouse as re-imagined by radionhead. dated between 300 and 900ad.

good revive and excellent thread

i saw that documentary yesterday, Janina Ramirez? yes amazing but i couldn't help thinking "what if it wasn't really a toy at all?"

Do these count?

https://live.staticflickr.com/5289/5333453778_c4c2ff2798_z.jpg

XXp toself
Apart from the offtopic dali shite that adam b posted of course!

> Janina Ramirez

Goth historian, yes. the three episodes were all excellent.

they've found dozens of other examples of wheeled toys, spread around the place - https://uncoveredhistory.com/mesoamerica/wheeled-toys/

another example of early art that is striking (i've posted this in another thread before, i think) - very early chinese sculptures found in Sanxingdui that predate and are unlike anything else that follows. also, aquaphibian.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/mysterious-ancient-artefacts-sanxingdui-have-rewritten-chinese-history-001495

https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/field/image/Sanxingdui-artefacts-china.jpg

https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/bronze-heads-Sanxingdui-china.jpg

more on a similar vein, this statue of a robot is from 2000bc (Valdivia it says, not sure if that's a place or a race or a person but there are others if you Google)

https://www.christies.com/img/LotImages/2018/CKS/2018_CKS_16217_0667_000(valdivia_stone_figure_circa_2300-2000_bc).jpg

ancient aliens assemble

btw tho i <3 nahk and miss his contribution and acknowledge the ferocious excellent of many of the images on this thread the thinking behind its title is unsatisfactory

(took me a while to find because I was looking for 'anachronistic')

tl;dr my argument = "whiggism for futurists"

whatever happened in older historical periods of painting/sculpture are not really an "anachronism" are they? like african art influences on cubism, turner's influence on impressionism to make 2 simple examples.

i mean that sculptor who did screaming heads and that 18th C portraitist who painted self portraits of himself pulling silly faces are both unusual for their day and can both seem "modern" in unexpected ways BUT the notion that there's an iron line of progress that all can recognise at a particular and some can knowingly jump ahead of is a bad notion promulgated a bit too much by art history 101 and thus unsatisfactory captions in museums and galleries

(a particular = a particular date)

plax absolutely covered this at the time

but as a thread for looking at diverse pictures speaking to each other why not

In the Turneresque "stuff that verged on abstraction before abstraction per se was rilly cool" category I like to include Thomas Wilmer Dewing

https://uploads6.wikiart.org/00114/images/thomas-dewing/the-lute-1904-1.jpg!Large.jpg

https://www.wikiart.org/en/rembrandt/the-apostle-bartholomew-1661

If you saw this in the gallery without any info, what era would you have said it was from? Me - 1914

https://www.wikiart.org/en/rembrandt/the-apostle-bartholomew-1661

plax otm throughout thread yes

in nakh's defence you maybe probably actually do need the nudge of "anachronism" to dig out what you consider "weird" in um "pre-modern" art = "things i totally didn't expect to see"?

except then you have to be all the more alert for it not to turn into "chariots of the gods"-type misconception = "if you didn't expect this maybe the ignorant fool is you von so-called daniken"

(no shade intended koogs the stone age robot is excellent)

lol @ me recapping the entire thread's beef with inadvertent precision, yes i HAVE been on ilx too long

Isn't cultural history in all areas generally the most whiggish of all historical narratives? As practiced I mean, not from necessity.

plax otm yeah, although unmoored weirdness for its own autotelic sake is a distinctly modern flex as far as I can tell. Sorry if the point has already been made, I haven't read the whole thread.

‘Judith Slaying Holofernes’ by Artemisia Gentileschi, 1610.https://t.co/RuaoBc6DNR

{Photo: @sylviethecamera} pic.twitter.com/qrn9fVyDIT

— Cora Harrington (@lingerie_addict) September 24, 2019

Nice recreation! Brings to mind a few years ago a load of us including emil.y recreating Las Meninas in a Barcelona apartment.

https://www.wga.hu/art/a/arcimbol/4composi/1vertum.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/jadensadventures/images/a/a4/Vegetable_Gremlin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160824073044

Sorry, couldn't resist. Carry on...