OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLY: nu-Who season 8

Is it time to predict part 2 yet? My guess: Clara and Danny split with the doctor finally, but steal the master's tardis to do their own thing. Maybe?

I've been trying to find where the cybermen having a problem with gold is introduced. Just had them appear in Silver Nemesis where they're being attacked with gold tipped arrows.
Earlier weapons against them have been radiation in 10th Planet and a chemical combination inspired by nail polish remover in an early Troughton. So is it the Tom Baker on the space station where the gold is the best way of combatting them is introduced?

Yeah, the Fourth Doctor one with Nerva Beacon.

Don't think the weakness to gold is a thing in Nu-Who?

Are they still alternate earth Cybermen rather than Mondas Cybermen? I've lost track.

Yes, it was originally to gold DUST, with some rubbish about it blocking their breathing apparatus.

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There seems to be some suggestion--not sure where I got this from--that nu-Who Cybermen are the combined forces of alternate Earthers mixed with Mondasian-descended fellows

so clearly the best defense in the universe is a golden staircase

think they're going to more properly explore the danny's descendant thing? or just leave it as is? it kind of seemed like there would be something else but they're kind of out of time unless it's the christmas special (which I gather is Clara's last story).

I never got that impression to be honest.

Seems like an odd thing to throw in in passing without further exploration. Like an in joke that's kept away from the audience that it's presented to, though not exactly funny or way too deus ex machina.
Seemr more like something you'd expect as theme than encapsulated observation.
Or in other words it seems like a detail you just wouldn't refer to if what you saw there was all you're going to see of it.
But is it tied up by the visit to Danny's orphan childhood and the significance of the toy soldier he still has?
Still, did seem like something they'd look at further.

You honestly think that this descendant of Danny Pink's, who has a time travelling ancestor and gives the family heirloom back to Clara, is an unresolved plot point?

Yeah, feels like a candidate for Moffatt's Dawkins-level argument philosophy as espoused when people tried pointing out plot holes before: http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/moffat-on-plot-hole-criticisms-57718.htm

"If you think that's shoddy writing, go away and learn how to think."

Of course that leads to "At what stage can Cyberman feel pain? Can Dalek feel more?"

I'm sure they're going to explore it further, and just because Clara's leaving doesn't mean Danny or Future Danny won't appear in some form.

They seem to be building towards a bitter split between the Doctor and Clara, and Danny being unable to return to his old life would be one reason for that.

I'm too lazy to rewatch it right now, but what was it do you think Clara wanted to tell Danny before he was killed when she was looking at all those post-it notes? I have a feeling Clara might be pregnant and she doesn't get Danny back, but that's why Future Danny will still exist.

I hope this is not the way they're doing it cause Danny is my favourite companion boyfriend in nu-Who, and it really bummed me out when he was killed. The scenes where Clara threatens the Doctor at the volcano and when he agrees to help her were properly moving too.

"Stop it with the EYES!"

Is it not just coming clean about all her adventures with the Doctor?

I watched about four in a row, so may be blurring things, but I thought at the end of the Airbag Earth episode, he noticed that she'd left today's homework in the TARDIS, and said "Look I'm not stupid and I love you, but tell me what's up".

Is it not just coming clean about all her adventures with the Doctor?

It is.

""Stop it with the EYES!"

"surprisingly round face" was a good one too.

i feel like all of the "this is the last time i will ever say this to anyone" seems awkward and over-specific if it's all that is; also the stuff in the previous week's teaser indicates that more is afoot, right? (although it could be read other ways, i guess)

glad i decided to catch up with this, actually sort of hyped properly for first time since eccleston

you guys tomorrow night is the FINALE

i am excite

doubly excited bc mr veg said once Who is done he was amenable to me introducing him to The Thick of It so he can see pre-Who Capaldi :D

Neverwhere might be worth a look too. Not sure what else he's in and can't check beginning of the thread while typing this.

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and Lair Of The White Worm

def do those before Thick Of It

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I thought in terms of plot it was a bit nondescript. Thought the Clara stuff was a bit shite, really. Called the Kate thing as the incident in the plane happened.

Christmas looks wank.

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

(that's a quote)

Did it look like missy teleported out somewhere rather than was disintegrated?

Hope so, I'd love to see Michelle Gomez again.

Except no, she definitely disintegrates.

(I forgot that I had "Traummaschine" on in the background during that scene and was wondering how unusually, effectively atmospheric the music was!)

Having the Cyber-Brig malky Missy was incredible - genuine swollen tear glands here. I doubt this is the last we've seen of Missy/The Master though, consdidering s/he has survived worse.

I really liked this. They paid off Danny/Clara so well & with genuine emotion, same with Danny & The Doctor...even if the rest of it felt a tad thin, it was v good.

And the odd forced cheeriness at the end was a nice question mark left to be resolved

missy is great btw

i want a gif of missy disintegrating squeeing seb/addison

Liked the updated credits where Jenna gets top billing and her eyes show up too.

The disintegration a we're all red coloured, and Missy's teleports were blue, and her final zapping was also blue, so I think it's safe to say this was one of the masters more straightforward escapes

Also, is the brig now flying around as a good cyberman? He was there after all the others were blown up.

danny deserved better :(

the disintegrations were red from her little handheld thing, i don't know if the cybermen were seen to kill anyone at any point. otoh she could have, for example, programmed in some cyberman failsafe wherein any attempt to shoot her did not kill her, whatever, easily done. i hope she comes back.

i feel like the beats here were a little forced, that it would have been a better climax if there'd been more than ten episodes of the status quo. i always felt a bit like we were being told what clara's, danny's, the doctor's relationships were, rather than them having breathing room to actually be the things they were. which made the last bit (though excellently choreographed) ring kind of false. probably murray gold's nadir, the music over the hugging.

felt v let down that there wasn't More Going On with the cold opens of this and last week

random middle eastern kid back from the dead would be problematic as hell if it weren't just really, really, stupid. still may be

i like stories where the narrative impetus is overwhelmed by the urge to just have a bunch of stuff happening but even so this was a bit silly, the whole president thing kind of limp and pointless. also i hadn't seen the episodes with stewart and osgood before and i thought this was how they were being introduced, which i thought was kind of ballsy. seemed a waste to kill osgood, maybe. felt largely unmoved by most of the nominally moving bits, felt the monologue about love was kind of awful

oh well

Praying the killed Osgood was the Zygon Osgood....

largely otm tho a bit harsh overall I think.

The Doctor seemed curiously flustered throughout this episode, and Capaldi neutered. His manner and awkward decisions (gormless acceptance of presidency, fluttering inability to decide about Danny) forcing him towards the moral crux the writers evidently felt they had written into him - power, the dreadful nature of believing yourself right - rather than his actual character, an energetic and acute mind capable of strongly articulated and decisive wrongness. This is not a man (at least in the rest of the series) who would have struggled about being president

in fact throughout the series they've been exceptional at putting him in positions where complicated decisions around that moral crux the power and rightness have been tackled brilliantly by the Doctor and Clara as a pair. It was cackhanded here, but did serve to show the great success of this series, and it was interesting to see a finale that attempted to resolve not lots of cryptic SF type clues unsatisfactorily, but emotional relationships.

That said the bits that have been dropped throughout the series were very partially dealt with - I'm not sure if I really got the meaning of having taken people who had died in the service of the doctor, or what having 'taken' them meant exactly, or what keeping Clara and the Doctor together really meant as a master/missy plan.

the episode had a number of set pieces awkwardly put together, but I found the set pieces charming in a funny sort of way, almost old-fashioned, like something out of Zorro. The Doctor being depended out of the skies, rushing through the clouds, only to skydive just about probably into the TARDIS brought a mixed reaction of 'oh come on really' and 'bloody hell!' so it probably got it about right. (Tho clearly Missy couldn't have allowed him to die - a sort of doubling-up on plot consequences that ALWAYS happens in James Bond and I find irritating whenever I stop to think about it).

Cybermen over the plane was alarming, and somehow also faintly comical. also reminded me distractingly of the opening set piece of The Dark Knight.

The black clouds and water seeping over Brompton Cemetery was great as an image. But it was really the out-of-town cemetery with its wintry twilight greys, and Clara wandering amidst the stones and emerging cybermen that saved this episode for me. Reminded me of The Village that Died for England, which I saw last week:

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It's a shame it didn't quite use all the elements it had at its disposal - that handcam suggesting something hiding and watching Clara was creepy but didn't really mean anything. Trying to escape from a graveyard full of semi-dormant cybermen would have been awesome, but again, it was really just a picture, a set piece. Liked it though.

And yes, something went terribly terribly wrong with Murray Gold's music at the end.

Doctor and Clara in the cafe was fantastic. Danny was fantastic and disquieting in a way that the series has managed consistently. How Clara has been portrayed by JLC and the writers is as great as the performance and depiction of the Doctor. Well, almost. It's hard not to feel that of all the elements that have made this season great, it's Capaldi that swings it.

Overall this series has been like a great LP. Loads of idiosyncratic, strongly themed tracks, each with great individual ideas that also link together, high-spirits and considerable depth, not frightened of anything.

This was great up until the point at which the plane blew up and then it got a bit stupid, if only because Missy should really have seen the "fuck this, we're all going down the pub" Cybermen moment coming.

Danny Pink was rubbish, or at least the actor who played him was, just an endless one-note drip, and as a result I didn't really buy the emotional moment in the graveyard. Clara, on the other hand, has become my favourite nu-Who companion, and it's a shame she's leaving.

duh not the village that died for england obv (tho that is also good). keep doing that. xpost.

Also 'love isn't an emotion, it's a promise!' -_-

that use of sententious formulations to get out of a basically SF premise or set-up is so nu-Who.

I didn't mind that love saved the day because this time The Doctor had fuck-all to do with it.

My biggest regret from this season is that we will never get to see an Amy/Rory-Clara/Danny double date. It would be especially fun to watch Rory complain about the number of times he was killed and for Danny to be all "sure but I got turned into a Cyberman" and for them both to sigh and mutter "fucking Doctor" under their breath.

Watching Clara turn from a boring mystery into a fantastic character has been a delight. I will be following Jenna Coleman's career; assuming the post-Who bump holds true and the escalation trend continues, I expect her to win an Oscar by 2016.

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