i think when motown got bigor frank sinatra
― punk rocketeer (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 November 2014 01:44 (nine years ago) link
i blame the film american psycho. critics heard patrick bateman's game and were like "damn, that's next level"
― da croupier, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:49 (nine years ago) link
lingering woodstock iii guilt, that was also an influence
― da croupier, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:50 (nine years ago) link
the international pop underground convention was an early combination of pop, cool and coffee consumption
― da croupier, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:52 (nine years ago) link
it has always been cool, u guys are nerds
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 14 November 2014 01:52 (nine years ago) link
no jazz used to be cool
― da croupier, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:53 (nine years ago) link
the cool people liked jazz, the lame people liked pop
― da croupier, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:54 (nine years ago) link
in fact the film girls town, when paul anka defeats the thuggish mel torme, that might have been an early turning point
― da croupier, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:55 (nine years ago) link
basically every 15 year old hates pop music and then about half of them realize they like it somewhere between 16 and 60 and decide they're the first person/generation to ever embrace the power of pop music
― nakhchi little van (some dude), Friday, 14 November 2014 01:55 (nine years ago) link
summer 2003
― ≖_≖ (Lamp), Friday, 14 November 2014 01:56 (nine years ago) link
remember when critics were like "wannabe that's a good song" and the hip were like "too soon"
― da croupier, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:57 (nine years ago) link
no
― ≖_≖ (Lamp), Friday, 14 November 2014 01:58 (nine years ago) link
lol yes, before opening the thread i answered 2 myself that kelefa sanneh's 2004 piece was *the moment* when it suddenly became cool
― dyl, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:00 (nine years ago) link
"Wannabe" was definitely an interesting cultural moment in the sense that America had banned really sugary girly pop for a few years but the UK still loved it so much that it started to spill over to us and it seemed so out of place here
― nakhchi little van (some dude), Friday, 14 November 2014 02:00 (nine years ago) link
i'm still here, believing in indie rock, not downloading taylor swift albums. but that might just be me
― hackshaw, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:23 (nine years ago) link
that's our hackshaw!
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 14 November 2014 02:26 (nine years ago) link
"stop" by spice girls (music video playing on a projection screen during COSMIC BOWLING) was the first time i really fell in love with a pop song. any song, really. i was 9. seminal moment, it was. then i kept pretty snobby until toxic.
wait why are we taking this thread seriously
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 14 November 2014 02:28 (nine years ago) link
FPing myself
i would say this started post-chillwave, can vaguely remember the Wavves dude making a big deal out of liking Blink 182, i.e. "hey this is actually really good!!!"
and then the insinuating RnB trend drove that point even closer and the Grimes thing as previously mentioned and here we are
― hackshaw, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:31 (nine years ago) link
Kogan and Eddy were the first critics I liked who were into pop music, ca. late '80s.
― timellison, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:33 (nine years ago) link
Like sort of explicitly into pop music, I guess. I read Christgau, too.
― timellison, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:35 (nine years ago) link
Ariel Pink fits somewhere into this narrative as well.
― hackshaw, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:43 (nine years ago) link
WHAT A YARN
― mattresslessness, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:50 (nine years ago) link
It's not cool to like commercial pop music
― brimstead, Friday, 14 November 2014 04:43 (nine years ago) link
Dido & Eminem
― the man with the black wigs (Eazy), Friday, 14 November 2014 05:27 (nine years ago) link
kenny loggins' first soundtrack
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 November 2014 05:30 (nine years ago) link
pop music is cool and fun but make sure you also spend a lot of time analyzing it. pop stars are here for you. they want you to weigh in on their actions and tweet tweet tweet
it's about ethics in game journalism
― hackshaw, Friday, 14 November 2014 05:32 (nine years ago) link
hackshaw chain tuggins
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 November 2014 05:39 (nine years ago) link
― brimstead, Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:43 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
only babies and little girls like commercial pop. adults, who are cool, listen to real music that isn't commercial pop like the beatles and eminem and sometimes coldplay
― a total laugh package (s.clover), Friday, 14 November 2014 06:53 (nine years ago) link
animal collective was the seminal rock band of 2005-2009, but it makes sense they didn't breakthrough until pure electro pop "my girls"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― the late great, Friday, 14 November 2014 07:29 (nine years ago) link
some dude otm
― the late great, Friday, 14 November 2014 07:30 (nine years ago) link
is this a real thread or just a dream
― polyphonic, Friday, 14 November 2014 07:31 (nine years ago) link
I was afraid some ppl might have been tempted to post serious answers itt but luckily it doesn't look like that's happened
― Fairly peng (wins), Friday, 14 November 2014 07:34 (nine years ago) link
is this a real thread, is this just fantasy? caught in a landslide, no escape from reality
― the late great, Friday, 14 November 2014 07:42 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po0jY4WvCIc
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 November 2014 07:43 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxOUP_vA8-8
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 November 2014 07:45 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVCDLroxl6o
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 November 2014 07:48 (nine years ago) link
the definitive rock album of the 2000s was dynasty by the grace period and they only achieved recognition when the drummer went on american idol and achieved fame singing as Carrie Underwood
― a total laugh package (s.clover), Friday, 14 November 2014 07:48 (nine years ago) link
It all began with Motown imo
― polyphonic, Friday, 14 November 2014 08:30 (nine years ago) link
the few attempts at serious answers itt are actually more hilarious than the joke ones. omg @ actually thinking pop became cool with "toxic"
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 November 2014 08:50 (nine years ago) link
hey ya
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 14 November 2014 09:34 (nine years ago) link
but wut about when beethoven put a choral movement in a symphony WHAT A FUCKING CHUMP MOVE IMO TOTAL CONCESSION TO THE BOURGEOISIE, that was CLEARLY when we began this despicable slide into "popular music."
from "ode to joy" and onward two hundred rotten years to "come & get it" and "style." my god. doesn't anyone have standards.
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 November 2014 13:23 (nine years ago) link
http://eil.com/images/main/John-Coltrane-My-Favorite-Thing-564786.jpg
― DISMISSED AS CHANCE (NotEnough), Friday, 14 November 2014 13:47 (nine years ago) link
Was 2003 really the year that pop "broke"?
― jaymc, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:09 (nine years ago) link
― lex pretend, Friday, November 14, 2014 3:50 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― marcos, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link
would be more curious about what kinds of music are not cool to like.
― ryan, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:45 (nine years ago) link
― ryan, viernes 14 de noviembre de 2014 14:45 (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Flaming lips.
― Moka, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:47 (nine years ago) link
paris hilton
― Mordy, Friday, 14 November 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
― marcos, Friday, November 14, 2014 8:36 AM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it took decades for pop music to win much popular support
― punk rocketeer (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 November 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link
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