Moment when it became like cool to like commercial pop music?

"Wannabe" was definitely an interesting cultural moment in the sense that America had banned really sugary girly pop for a few years but the UK still loved it so much that it started to spill over to us and it seemed so out of place here

i'm still here, believing in indie rock, not downloading taylor swift albums. but that might just be me

that's our hackshaw!

"stop" by spice girls (music video playing on a projection screen during COSMIC BOWLING) was the first time i really fell in love with a pop song. any song, really. i was 9. seminal moment, it was. then i kept pretty snobby until toxic.

wait why are we taking this thread seriously

FPing myself

i would say this started post-chillwave, can vaguely remember the Wavves dude making a big deal out of liking Blink 182, i.e. "hey this is actually really good!!!"

and then the insinuating RnB trend drove that point even closer and the Grimes thing as previously mentioned and here we are

Kogan and Eddy were the first critics I liked who were into pop music, ca. late '80s.

Like sort of explicitly into pop music, I guess. I read Christgau, too.

Ariel Pink fits somewhere into this narrative as well.

WHAT A YARN

It's not cool to like commercial pop music

Dido & Eminem

kenny loggins' first soundtrack

pop music is cool and fun but make sure you also spend a lot of time analyzing it. pop stars are here for you. they want you to weigh in on their actions and tweet tweet tweet

it's about ethics in game journalism

hackshaw chain tuggins

It's not cool to like commercial pop music

― brimstead, Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:43 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

only babies and little girls like commercial pop. adults, who are cool, listen to real music that isn't commercial pop like the beatles and eminem and sometimes coldplay

animal collective was the seminal rock band of 2005-2009, but it makes sense they didn't breakthrough until pure electro pop "my girls"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

some dude otm

is this a real thread or just a dream

I was afraid some ppl might have been tempted to post serious answers itt but luckily it doesn't look like that's happened

is this a real thread, is this just fantasy? caught in a landslide, no escape from reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po0jY4WvCIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxOUP_vA8-8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVCDLroxl6o

the definitive rock album of the 2000s was dynasty by the grace period and they only achieved recognition when the drummer went on american idol and achieved fame singing as Carrie Underwood

It all began with Motown imo

the few attempts at serious answers itt are actually more hilarious than the joke ones. omg @ actually thinking pop became cool with "toxic"

hey ya

but wut about when beethoven put a choral movement in a symphony WHAT A FUCKING CHUMP MOVE IMO TOTAL CONCESSION TO THE BOURGEOISIE, that was CLEARLY when we began this despicable slide into "popular music."

from "ode to joy" and onward two hundred rotten years to "come & get it" and "style." my god. doesn't anyone have standards.

http://eil.com/images/main/John-Coltrane-My-Favorite-Thing-564786.jpg

Was 2003 really the year that pop "broke"?

the few attempts at serious answers itt are actually more hilarious than the joke ones. omg @ actually thinking pop became cool with "toxic"

― lex pretend, Friday, November 14, 2014 3:50 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

would be more curious about what kinds of music are not cool to like.

would be more curious about what kinds of music are not cool to like.

― ryan, viernes 14 de noviembre de 2014 14:45 (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Flaming lips.

paris hilton

the few attempts at serious answers itt are actually more hilarious than the joke ones. omg @ actually thinking pop became cool with "toxic"

― lex pretend, Friday, November 14, 2014 3:50 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

― marcos, Friday, November 14, 2014 8:36 AM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it took decades for pop music to win much popular support

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Whiney sure seems to have achieved poppage, at least.

many xposts ago to someone asking for this
http://media.giphy.com/media/oaPcDncoLfgjK/giphy.gif

Before I go on there's a difference between -someone making cool pop music- and -commercial pop music no longer being sneered at- which most people haven't seemed to grasped ITT.

2004: Kelly Clarkson - Since U Been Gone

― MarkoP, Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is just good power pop rock, like we've seen loads of. I'm not talking about good pop songs.

another potentially serious answer - 2003: Britney: Toxic

― Mordy,

No.

Ok, I will indulge in one serious response though -- I have a distinct memory of being at a hangout on a rooftop and a friend putting on Justified who I wouldn't have expected to like *pop music*, and being sort of surprised, and then finding a lot of other people I wouldn't expect were also into that record. But that was more just a watershed moment in my corny indie consciousness than in the culture at large.

― my jaw left (Hurting 2),

I had exact experience with someone with Justified, minus the rooftop. It did crossover into more discerning adult's collections who definitely didn't listen to NSync at any point. Justified is just good quality pop, like we've always had. But it's not the point I was trying to talk about.

even 1999 i remember hearing travis do 'baby one more time' and thinking (nb i was 15 at the time) oh! britney spears could be cool. but that was more distant/mocking and not sincere liked.

― Mordy

That blew up so much on radio for it's perceived shock value , but it was way too early, and didn't make anyone whoe didn't like pop music like it more. it was more just funny/huh/wow reactions.

Mid 00's. Rock completely died after a laughable attempt of garage revival and hip hop took its place. So some producers like Timbaland and the Neptunes made cool to like commercial pop music and here we are.

― Moka,

Pharrell and Tim have no part in this discussion, again.

Speakerboxx/The Love Below in 2003

You're all mixed up. That's not commercial pop. Hey Ya crossed over. They were doing on Speakerboxx what they were doing on Stankonia. Love Below wasn't an attempt at commercial gains.

basically every 15 year old hates pop music and then about half of them realize they like it somewhere between 16 and 60 and decide they're the first person/generation to ever embrace the power of pop music

― nakhchi little van (some dude),

Not at all, you're speaking for a small proportion of people during a small period of time as if it's the norm. "every 15 year old" doesn't "hate" pop, Westlife and Backstreet sold more records with 15 year olds than anyone else. My parents and all their generation grew up loving The Beatles, and then continuing to as the got older.

The peak anti-pop feels of 90s and rooted in 80s, but cheesy pop was as strong as ever at the same time in the 90s. And anyway, the point your making is not in connection to thread.

"Wannabe" was definitely an interesting cultural moment in the sense that America had banned really sugary girly pop for a few years but the UK still loved it so much that it started to spill over to us and it seemed so out of place here

― nakhchi little van (some dude),

?? America had banned sugary girly pop in 1996? That definitely didn't happen, and Spice Girls weren't "sugary girly pop", that was their whole point, to be in your face, and UK didn't "still love girly sugary pop so much", I have no idea where you're pulling that from. That whole post is hilarious in fact.

Ariel Pink fits somewhere into this narrative as well.

― hackshaw,

In that he doesn't at all in any way? The guy who's spent his whole life idolising R Stevie Moore is commercially orientated?

Dido & Eminem

― the man with the black wigs (Eazy),

Again no. I feel a lot of people are just missing the whole point.

lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY

it's not cool to like commercial pop music, it's cool to smoke cigarettes. what is happening to the word "cool", is it just the default now, synonymous for acceptable?

liking music is not cool a anymore because of spotify, i read a cool thinkpiece on it a few weeks ago

http://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpDP1FHvHOTWuNa/giphy.gif

hope nuki remembered to flag all those off-base posts as he was c/ping them

Chefs are the new cool musicians. I only listen to music made by chefs.