Kogan and Eddy were the first critics I liked who were into pop music, ca. late '80s.
― timellison, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:33 (nine years ago) link
Like sort of explicitly into pop music, I guess. I read Christgau, too.
― timellison, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:35 (nine years ago) link
Ariel Pink fits somewhere into this narrative as well.
― hackshaw, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:43 (nine years ago) link
WHAT A YARN
― mattresslessness, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:50 (nine years ago) link
It's not cool to like commercial pop music
― brimstead, Friday, 14 November 2014 04:43 (nine years ago) link
Dido & Eminem
― the man with the black wigs (Eazy), Friday, 14 November 2014 05:27 (nine years ago) link
kenny loggins' first soundtrack
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 November 2014 05:30 (nine years ago) link
pop music is cool and fun but make sure you also spend a lot of time analyzing it. pop stars are here for you. they want you to weigh in on their actions and tweet tweet tweet
it's about ethics in game journalism
― hackshaw, Friday, 14 November 2014 05:32 (nine years ago) link
hackshaw chain tuggins
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 November 2014 05:39 (nine years ago) link
― brimstead, Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:43 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
only babies and little girls like commercial pop. adults, who are cool, listen to real music that isn't commercial pop like the beatles and eminem and sometimes coldplay
― a total laugh package (s.clover), Friday, 14 November 2014 06:53 (nine years ago) link
animal collective was the seminal rock band of 2005-2009, but it makes sense they didn't breakthrough until pure electro pop "my girls"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― the late great, Friday, 14 November 2014 07:29 (nine years ago) link
some dude otm
― the late great, Friday, 14 November 2014 07:30 (nine years ago) link
is this a real thread or just a dream
― polyphonic, Friday, 14 November 2014 07:31 (nine years ago) link
I was afraid some ppl might have been tempted to post serious answers itt but luckily it doesn't look like that's happened
― Fairly peng (wins), Friday, 14 November 2014 07:34 (nine years ago) link
is this a real thread, is this just fantasy? caught in a landslide, no escape from reality
― the late great, Friday, 14 November 2014 07:42 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po0jY4WvCIc
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 November 2014 07:43 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxOUP_vA8-8
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 November 2014 07:45 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVCDLroxl6o
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 November 2014 07:48 (nine years ago) link
the definitive rock album of the 2000s was dynasty by the grace period and they only achieved recognition when the drummer went on american idol and achieved fame singing as Carrie Underwood
― a total laugh package (s.clover), Friday, 14 November 2014 07:48 (nine years ago) link
It all began with Motown imo
― polyphonic, Friday, 14 November 2014 08:30 (nine years ago) link
the few attempts at serious answers itt are actually more hilarious than the joke ones. omg @ actually thinking pop became cool with "toxic"
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 November 2014 08:50 (nine years ago) link
hey ya
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Friday, 14 November 2014 09:34 (nine years ago) link
but wut about when beethoven put a choral movement in a symphony WHAT A FUCKING CHUMP MOVE IMO TOTAL CONCESSION TO THE BOURGEOISIE, that was CLEARLY when we began this despicable slide into "popular music."
from "ode to joy" and onward two hundred rotten years to "come & get it" and "style." my god. doesn't anyone have standards.
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 November 2014 13:23 (nine years ago) link
http://eil.com/images/main/John-Coltrane-My-Favorite-Thing-564786.jpg
― DISMISSED AS CHANCE (NotEnough), Friday, 14 November 2014 13:47 (nine years ago) link
Was 2003 really the year that pop "broke"?
― jaymc, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:09 (nine years ago) link
― lex pretend, Friday, November 14, 2014 3:50 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― marcos, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link
would be more curious about what kinds of music are not cool to like.
― ryan, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:45 (nine years ago) link
― ryan, viernes 14 de noviembre de 2014 14:45 (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Flaming lips.
― Moka, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:47 (nine years ago) link
paris hilton
― Mordy, Friday, 14 November 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
― marcos, Friday, November 14, 2014 8:36 AM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it took decades for pop music to win much popular support
― punk rocketeer (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 November 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link
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― look what you did, you lil durk (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 14 November 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link
Whiney sure seems to have achieved poppage, at least.
― how's life, Friday, 14 November 2014 15:34 (nine years ago) link
many xposts ago to someone asking for thishttp://media.giphy.com/media/oaPcDncoLfgjK/giphy.gif
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 November 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link
Before I go on there's a difference between -someone making cool pop music- and -commercial pop music no longer being sneered at- which most people haven't seemed to grasped ITT.
2004: Kelly Clarkson - Since U Been Gone― MarkoP, Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― MarkoP, Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is just good power pop rock, like we've seen loads of. I'm not talking about good pop songs.
another potentially serious answer - 2003: Britney: Toxic― Mordy,
― Mordy,
No.
Ok, I will indulge in one serious response though -- I have a distinct memory of being at a hangout on a rooftop and a friend putting on Justified who I wouldn't have expected to like *pop music*, and being sort of surprised, and then finding a lot of other people I wouldn't expect were also into that record. But that was more just a watershed moment in my corny indie consciousness than in the culture at large.― my jaw left (Hurting 2),
― my jaw left (Hurting 2),
I had exact experience with someone with Justified, minus the rooftop. It did crossover into more discerning adult's collections who definitely didn't listen to NSync at any point. Justified is just good quality pop, like we've always had. But it's not the point I was trying to talk about.
even 1999 i remember hearing travis do 'baby one more time' and thinking (nb i was 15 at the time) oh! britney spears could be cool. but that was more distant/mocking and not sincere liked.― Mordy
― Mordy
That blew up so much on radio for it's perceived shock value , but it was way too early, and didn't make anyone whoe didn't like pop music like it more. it was more just funny/huh/wow reactions.
Mid 00's. Rock completely died after a laughable attempt of garage revival and hip hop took its place. So some producers like Timbaland and the Neptunes made cool to like commercial pop music and here we are.― Moka,
― Moka,
Pharrell and Tim have no part in this discussion, again.
Speakerboxx/The Love Below in 2003
You're all mixed up. That's not commercial pop. Hey Ya crossed over. They were doing on Speakerboxx what they were doing on Stankonia. Love Below wasn't an attempt at commercial gains.
basically every 15 year old hates pop music and then about half of them realize they like it somewhere between 16 and 60 and decide they're the first person/generation to ever embrace the power of pop music― nakhchi little van (some dude),
― nakhchi little van (some dude),
Not at all, you're speaking for a small proportion of people during a small period of time as if it's the norm. "every 15 year old" doesn't "hate" pop, Westlife and Backstreet sold more records with 15 year olds than anyone else. My parents and all their generation grew up loving The Beatles, and then continuing to as the got older.
The peak anti-pop feels of 90s and rooted in 80s, but cheesy pop was as strong as ever at the same time in the 90s. And anyway, the point your making is not in connection to thread.
"Wannabe" was definitely an interesting cultural moment in the sense that America had banned really sugary girly pop for a few years but the UK still loved it so much that it started to spill over to us and it seemed so out of place here― nakhchi little van (some dude),
?? America had banned sugary girly pop in 1996? That definitely didn't happen, and Spice Girls weren't "sugary girly pop", that was their whole point, to be in your face, and UK didn't "still love girly sugary pop so much", I have no idea where you're pulling that from. That whole post is hilarious in fact.
Ariel Pink fits somewhere into this narrative as well.― hackshaw,
― hackshaw,
In that he doesn't at all in any way? The guy who's spent his whole life idolising R Stevie Moore is commercially orientated?
Dido & Eminem― the man with the black wigs (Eazy),
― the man with the black wigs (Eazy),
Again no. I feel a lot of people are just missing the whole point.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Friday, 14 November 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link
lmao
― example (crüt), Friday, 14 November 2014 21:11 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY
― shmurda shmystery (sleepingbag), Friday, 14 November 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link
it's not cool to like commercial pop music, it's cool to smoke cigarettes. what is happening to the word "cool", is it just the default now, synonymous for acceptable?
― brimstead, Friday, 14 November 2014 21:15 (nine years ago) link
liking music is not cool a anymore because of spotify, i read a cool thinkpiece on it a few weeks ago
― brimstead, Friday, 14 November 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
http://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpDP1FHvHOTWuNa/giphy.gif
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 November 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
hope nuki remembered to flag all those off-base posts as he was c/ping them
― een, Friday, 14 November 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
Chefs are the new cool musicians. I only listen to music made by chefs.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 November 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link
who's the coolest poster in this thread
― brimstead, Friday, 14 November 2014 21:26 (nine years ago) link
i mean what's the coolest post, didn't mean to be so rockist
― brimstead, Friday, 14 November 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link
us realizing we're uncool in real timehttp://media.giphy.com/media/S8Dv4JCz6wWBy/giphy.gif
― give kawhi his damn eyedrops (slothroprhymes), Friday, 14 November 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XtSSOkmA--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/195m0cuduh4asjpg.jpg
― sleeve, Friday, 14 November 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link
haha the gore gifs are making it really tough to look at this thread at work.
Seriously, although this thread doesn't need feeding, does anyone remember the name of the reviewer at New York Rocker whose beat was specifically pop music? His column was actually very eye-opening to me in the early 80s, when I was pretty much only listening to punk and new wave. I remember reviews of everything from Abba and Bucks Fizz to BB&Q band.
― Deliciously hard yet very accessible (Dan Peterson), Friday, 14 November 2014 21:43 (nine years ago) link
slothpro and feng is an angry dude who spends their time obsessivly following me around a low post forum along with a few other dsiciples because i don't like taylor swift, now THAT's cool
― Raccoon Tanuki, Friday, 14 November 2014 22:14 (nine years ago) link