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I've only listened to Achso at the shop but it sounded really good, I imagine I would like it more than either of his two albums. He's discovered honest to god grooves again! But not abandoned the ketamine...

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 13 January 2006 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Achso better than The Au Harem but probably not better than Alcachofa ...

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 14 January 2006 06:02 (eighteen years ago) link

"seiso" shows the man has discovered the ebow as well.

― Beta (abeta), Saturday, 14 January 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm tempted to say Achso is his best release yet (at least best "album") -doesn't have the immediacy of Alcachofa, but I also like the utter lack of pop-ness. It's basically a far morme realized The Au Harem.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 14 January 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah it's like The Au Harem stripped away almost everything .... now he let the door open a crack for the light to leak back in (but only a little bit)

― Renard (Renard), Saturday, 14 January 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i just listened briefly last nite, but alcochofa sounds like someone with sensory damage made it -some totally bizarre sounds and percussive sounds that don't really follow the rules but you can still sorta identify with it. is there something wrong with villalobos? i like it though - but its very very bizarre.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 14 January 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

while i dig it (the gatefold penumbras make for gooey gazing), i haven't been as lost in it as i was with even the recent "Chromosul"/ "Fadutron" single.

― Beta (abeta), Saturday, 14 January 2006 23:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Susan, have you listened to anything else? Villalobos was probably doing his most conventional song stuff on that album.

― mike h. (mike h.), Sunday, 15 January 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

oh dear! no,this is it. direct me into the crazy(er) territory pls!

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Listen to his Sven Vath or Lopazz remixes.

― adamrl (nordicskilla), Sunday, 15 January 2006 00:12 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks-i'll search for that tommorow! btwn the Arp She Said (Lindstrom), Alchocofa, and re-discovering St. Dan's "Third World Man" (which i'm obsessively playing) i'm having a really great musical weekend!! CHEERS EVERYBODY!

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm ramazed at the percussive sounds on this. he pay alot of attention to that, i think.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link

oi,i guess thats kinda a given. ok will stop posting now-having a musically euphoric weekend-pls forgive.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Susan, here's a more recent track of his (nicked off YSI thread) - http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=06SMJKFVREH4W1BNUQJZGNO7C2

the first time I heard some of this newer stuff (Just Chromosul & Duso, I missed "Au Harem...") was a definite "wtf?" moment yes. I hadn't even thought about a CD release. Is he actually planning a new "album" or just going with the flow with all this? I'll try not to think about the 'upcoming' Fabric mix.

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 15 January 2006 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link

thx!!!!!

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 15 January 2006 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link

On a Dutch television interview he says he's focussing on singles right now, since The Au Harem and Alcochofa came so close together.

― Alexander (Alexander Buckiewicz-Smith), Sunday, 15 January 2006 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

susan, go out and buy the "achso" 2x12 on cadenza - they should have it at tweekin' or amoeba (right mike???). i don't think it's getting a CD release. it's fucking fantastic and yes, INCREDIBLY damaged, but also really coherent if you listen in the right way. it's basically a full LP, at least in length, even though there are only 4 tracks. (i've said before that if a 12" side could contain more than 15 minutes or whatever at decent sound quality, he'd start working to whatever length was possible.)

it might take a while to get into, but i really think you'll like this one.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Sunday, 15 January 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

sorryu i know this is a bit lame, but i cant find where in all of the villalobos threads someone mentioned a mix he was doing/ or did, like ive made a mental note of 3 mix cds hes putting out, one is green and blue (both sides of that are great!), the other is the fabric mix, and im sure someone mentioned a 3 hes done on a label i have never heard of, the label possibly beings with an 's'? anyone?

― ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 15 January 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

tama taka taka?

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Love Family Trax?

― adamrl (nordicskilla), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

those are the only three on discogs.

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 15 January 2006 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

hmm it was a new one.i think i must have been dreaming it. hopefulyl taka taka is coming my way, i love that mix!

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 16 January 2006 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

did anyone like the for disco only 12? i wasn't really feeling the philip glass remix much but the a-side is awesome, you sometimes forget how well villalobos works on the dancefloor. glad to hear he's only doing maxi-singles from now on as i can't really get into his full lengths.

― rio natsume, Monday, 16 January 2006 10:38 (eighteen years ago) link

"in the summer I am getting a baby with my girlfriend"

love r.villalobos

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 16 January 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Obviously they stopped taking the pill then.

― Tobias Rapp (Tobias Rapp), Monday, 16 January 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Just watch - everyone will start getting a baby now.

― adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

ysi?

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

"Let's all move to Berlin, get a baby in the summer and be cool"

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

:) haha

― adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost to phil - thx for the specific recommendation. i wasn't able to find Achso, but i bought Au Harem. I haven't gone back to Alchochofa yet, b/c I couldn't connect with the way it's pop, but it intrigues me how it is pop but so unwillful. not to dredge up discussion on that since i literally only listened like once and half and this is memory of feeling. -also could be the minimalism. anyway, going to try au harem.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 19 January 2006 10:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Achso is so good! I've never been a villalobos-obsessive but this makes me want to be.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 19 January 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

This release feels very er deliberate in its approach to the rhythm/melody split in a way that feels more like Detroit techno than anything else he's done. It very much feels like the "jam" element of The Au Harem has been shifted entirely onto these really lush abstract melodies, allowing the beats to be a bit more kinetic and physical - the melody on "ichso" make me think of late Talk Talk, while the melody on "Sieso" is total Eno/Orbital/IDM plinkyplonkyness (plus that awesome sprinkler system sound - wow!).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Achso is... astounding!! (Tim get out of my brane)

Best e.p. ever :-D

Slightly more techno than Alchochofa too? That surprised me a little. It's definitely at the same quality level though. I think I'd still give top marks to the former for it's... muscularity?

This, and listening again to Alchochofa the other day and being totally refreshed and surprised (before the thread got revived btw) made me wonder if I haven't overrated the Isolee record too. They seem to come from a similar place, but I think Ricardo might be even more touched with genius/magic/insanity somehow.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

at least I'm not mad thinking it's more techno (obviously you now explained while I was writing that other post!).

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim absolutely spot on about the Talk Talk-ness of "Ichso"; if Mark Hollis came in singing "take my freedom/for giving me a sacred love" it would sit there perfectly. Seiso reminds me alot of something i can't quite place.... Erso seems madly paranoid (in a good way) and is probably my favourite thing here (after 2 listens). Philip, can you say more about why you find the EP "incredibly damaged"? cos i think i agree.

i thought i'd lost interest in RV after Au Harem, but this is great.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes "Erso" is awesome too! "Ichso" is probably the weak link if there is one, the track that sounds most like something from The Au Harem - and it's still v. good.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry, I mean "Duso" is the weak link

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought my "achso" review was going up today, but i guess not. (another 9+ review which will earn neither an abover-the-line featured review or a "best new music." ah well.) it's the best "album" i've yet heard this year. (you know, three weeks in.)

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

such strange music. Ichso reminds me of "Dogman Go Woof" as well as Talk Talk. i can't get a handle on Duso, really. so dry.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

does anyone else find achso surprisingly idm-y?

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

it's just the busy-ness i think. RED HERRING.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

the plonky sieso sounds are very like plaid. maybe scoobs in columbia?

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't this where the entire idm classification kind of falls apart? If the more manipulative beat tweaking that Villalobos does and the entire "clicks and cuts" school from a few years back aren't cross-qualified as idm then I'm not sure what should qualify -- unless it's just a token term to mention glitchy stuff that isn't inherently danceable.

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Early IDM and Late IDM are such totally different things... I think they really need to be separated somehow.

I'd say the influence has teturned to the dancefloor as...
Early IDM -> Glitch, Micro-House/Techno
Late IDM -> Dubstep??

(maybe)

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

it's no the glitchiness and rhythms that make it idmy imo (thinking of seiso) but the sounds themselves. i don't think it's a red herring in this case.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

surely glitch should be "mid-period IDM"?

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm surely talking out of my ass, so yeah. Mid-period.

This e.p. kind of melts the whole damn deal of classifying things anyway. I can even hear Deep House, Trance and Ambient in there at times but it could be the THC hasn't worn off from last nights listen :/

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

2006 influence on danceable electronic music

Mid-period IDM (glitch, clicks'n'cuts, late berlin dub) -> ???

I have no idea where wtf "Electro-House" fits here... I think I need to leave this thread because I am very confused.

― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

it doesn't really work that way so why force it?

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

idm as methodology more than genre?

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

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