Help, I'm trapped in an ivory tower! Or "what the fuck am i getting myself into with this academia stuff"

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'foucault kids' sigh

j., Saturday, 3 January 2015 23:42 (nine years ago) link

that's an awfully loaded term for describing what simply seems to be interdisciplinary work! maybe I'm missing something.

ryan, Sunday, 4 January 2015 02:25 (nine years ago) link

i think there was supposed to be a slight implication of quality-independent-thought too

j., Sunday, 4 January 2015 02:29 (nine years ago) link

tbh that basically describes my quasi-interdisciplinary dissertation. a lot of self-imposed and self-directed "training" as well.

ryan, Sunday, 4 January 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link

fun shirt

Vote in the ILM EOY Poll! (seandalai), Friday, 9 January 2015 23:53 (nine years ago) link

the job market is pretty damn grim this year. not that that's news of course.

ryan, Friday, 9 January 2015 23:55 (nine years ago) link

i feel like my barely suppressed disdain for this profession and the people in it (and by extension myself for "wanting" to be a part of it) must be still be coming through in my cover letters. gotta work on that.

ryan, Friday, 9 January 2015 23:59 (nine years ago) link

the job market isn't grim for "top candidates" from "top schools"

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 10 January 2015 00:31 (nine years ago) link

ha, yeah i keep thinking about what i could have done differently and top of the list every time is "go to a more prestigious school."

ryan, Saturday, 10 January 2015 01:24 (nine years ago) link

jesus christ, it looks like i might actually have a couple courses to cover come late january.

now i just have to figure out how the fuck to teach philosophy online

― j., Monday, November 17, 2014 1:52 PM (1 month ago)

monday!! they can't cancel that shit on me NOW

j., Saturday, 10 January 2015 01:35 (nine years ago) link

did you figure out how the fuck to teach philosophy online?

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 10 January 2015 01:46 (nine years ago) link

welp

j., Saturday, 10 January 2015 02:00 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

no, no i did not

j., Thursday, 29 January 2015 06:53 (nine years ago) link

so how is that going

â™› LIL UNIT â™› (thomp), Thursday, 29 January 2015 11:47 (nine years ago) link

i worked in online course design and implementation for years ama

adam, Thursday, 29 January 2015 15:08 (nine years ago) link

boat's kind of sailed on design for the sucker at this point. i'm noticing some initial problems overcoming, on top of the usual difficulties students pose (new to school, general intellectual apathy and incuriosity, gen ed credit disengagement), a heightened rat-and-pellet orientation that the interface only seems to make worse. similarly w/ the atomization in the social experience of the course; way too many people seem unaware of anything else their classmates contribute, despite a few weeks of yammering and prodding on my part. interface doesn't help there, either; it actually makes it technically inconvenient to even -see- discussions as ongoing conversations rather than bags of disjoint squibs of opinionating, lobbed into the void for the sake of perfunctory discharge of course obligations.

i've been wondering if maybe i'm not just a little over-sensitive because i have too much exposure to my students' raw (unworked) intellectual productions now. i had plenty of that before, but in the social reality of the (physical) classroom, a more decorous inattention to the works-in-progress that are students' thoughts and utterances is possible.

j., Thursday, 29 January 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link

scrap the infrstructure & make all your students join ilx

flopson, Thursday, 29 January 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link

but we stopped counting people's posts years ago, what would i enter in the online gradebook that we also don't have

j., Thursday, 29 January 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link

If it's an online course, then are many of your students distance learners, meaning that they may not have friends in the class? I'm guessing that this would exacerbate the problems an online interface already creates for doing the basic conversational background work of reading each others' body language, sizing one another up, assessing the mood in the room, etc.

If the interface allows for small group work, then that may be something to think about, if it puts students in connection with each other. Probably hard to monitor.

jmm, Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link

i have had success moving the discussion board to a blogspot to which all students have posting privileges. it flattens out the initial discussions a little bit so that it doesn't immediately look like a dozen barely-connected nodes and younger students are way more familiar with the blog-and-comment flow than with old fashioned treed discussion boards. also i suspect students have more of a feeling of ownership over posts and are thus more likely to get feisty.

adam, Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link

group work is good, especially if the LMS facilitates it w/out too much work on your part, but for 100-level classes you can end up with one person from each group doing all the work.

adam, Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:05 (nine years ago) link

I've taught one philo course online but I did it as an emergency overload and so my performance wasn't very important to e.g. keeping my job. that was good because the course sucked. I did what I was told, which was record myself giving lectures, and then giving assignments. there was a little offline chat associated with it too but I didn't really monitor that because it was like my fifth course that term. but yeah it sucked. it was something 101ish iirc

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link

there are a couple offsite students, but the vast majority are campus-based (but taking courses online thanks to the state system push to… add value… somehow… but onlineifying as much of the curriculum as possible). been looking into getting them to meet up, at the very least for study group purposes, but *i* am not actually campus-based, so my powers of wrangling them are restricted.

group work isn't really facilitated well, although i've taken an unsuccessful stab at it already. not surprisingly, the supposedly 'native' intwebificommunication aptitude young people are supposed to have does not seem to be as much in evidence as one would like. ownership is a problem there (i've been reading a lot in the last year or two about educators' attempts to re-introduce structures for student ownership of course resources, activities, etc., online in the face of enterprise system tunnel vision, and i am FULLY ON BOARD but the lift for accomplishing that is pretty big when the default LMS is staring you in the face and students seem congenitally disinclined to do anything BUT log in to the LMS). why bother trying to manifest your presence and impress your stamp upon anything (as people do naturally in person) when you don't feel you're even involved in something that is 'yours'?

j., Thursday, 29 January 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

forget if we did this one already

https://www.guernicamag.com/features/the-teaching-class/

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Monday, 2 March 2015 02:22 (nine years ago) link

Yes, college-level teachers should make more than cashiers at McDonald’s. Not because they hold advanced degrees—to pay someone for merely holding a degree is naked credentialism; to believe you deserve more money because of your credential itself rather than what you do with it is to misunderstand the value of work—but because as a culture, we value the dissemination of knowledge more than the distribution of hamburgers. Or at least we say we do.

this is just false; you have to tell a pretty fancy story to get it to work how how in fact 'we' value in this way or even say 'we' do

j., Monday, 2 March 2015 02:40 (nine years ago) link

i would include myself in that "we", although i certainly think both groups should be paid more than they are.

polyphonic, Monday, 2 March 2015 02:51 (nine years ago) link

our social system is rather peculiar when the majority of american humanities PhDs can't secure full-time teaching work, and the majority of american college students are taught by contingent faculty. the supposed progressives who run academic departments neither effectively warn the grad student suckers coming in nor care in any meaningful way once they're out the door jobless, any more than they're willing to make it clear to the undergrads that migrant workers teach their classes. this is of course all the fault of the undergrads and the grad students, and the market will sort the wheat from the chaff. the 99% - 1% dynamic the progressive faculty elaborate in marx-inflected classes is unrelated to the labor conditions in their entirely meritocratic departments

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 2 March 2015 11:34 (nine years ago) link

"the majority of american college students are taught by contingent faculty"

supposing that this is true, how does the data change when we remove English composition from the mix?

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 2 March 2015 11:52 (nine years ago) link

Why should we do that?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 2 March 2015 12:36 (nine years ago) link

"first they came for the writing comp instructors..."

ryan, Monday, 2 March 2015 12:59 (nine years ago) link

professors of the world, unite!

i haven't seen the data without english comp in the mix

http://www.aaup.org/report/contingent-appointments-and-academic-profession

maybe that changes everything, though, and the academy lives up to its professed ideals when you exclude english comp from the discussion?

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 2 March 2015 13:00 (nine years ago) link

The department where I taught for the past year and a half was up for its cyclical review this semester and had to publish statistics. In the 12-13 year, 54.6% of courses were taught by members of the part-time professors' association (definitely sessional faculty), 39.6% by members of the full-time profs' association, and 5.8% by 'other professors' (not sure what this means).

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 2 March 2015 13:47 (nine years ago) link

lol xp

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 2 March 2015 14:21 (nine years ago) link

I don't know what the data looks like when English comp is removed. But as the article in the revive points out, English comp courses get huge numbers of students, because they're (often) required of (nearly) every first-year. I am asking for the data because the practices chosen by English departments to staff their courses might not be the practices chosen by other departments. I am hesitant to conclude that what's happened is the fault of "the professoriate" when the decisions of English departments are made autonomously from other professors.

Sund4r, is that an English department?

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 2 March 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link

No, music. Was tangential to the English comp question and is obv only one dept. (English comp = "foundations of academic writing" courses, I take it?)

Music numbers can be slanted because applied music instructors are often p/t. In the department's own notes, though, there is only a small majority when it comes to applied instructors and "[ i ]n the academic domain, all solfège sections are taught by a Sessional Professor with the assistance of several graduate student TAs. Many of the service courses have been taught by part-time professors and many of the core music theory and musicology requirements have been taught by part-time professors."

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 2 March 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link

i've taught writing-intensive courses at more than one university that has distributed writing requirements throughout introductory and upper-division courses in order to make the writing instruction more 'relevant' and take the various pressures (labor, credit requirement and time to graduation) off the english or comp departments. but i don't see how forceful it is to aver that maybe other disciplines are different. not as bad, maybe, since they're less in need of cheap labor to serve large numbers of service course requirements. but consider this: adjuncts are likely to teach the lowest level courses, the ones most likely to be taken by non-majors. meanwhile ignatius p. featherbottom is sitting down the hall living the life of the mind with the much less popular upper division course students and a seminar with 6 people in it. the numbers thin out as you go up the status hierarchy.

j., Monday, 2 March 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link

"the numbers thin out as you go up the status hierarchy"

I've never taught in a department like this. all R1s though.

I am not trying to excuse or deny the problem, just trying to identify it better.

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 2 March 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link

have we talked about the Colander article?

the original article is worth a read (if ouchy), the key points are spelled out in this interview/article about it:

https://chroniclevitae.com/news/897-where-do-english-ph-d-s-get-jobs-it-depends-on-where-they-studied

scary suggestions in the original article include: regarding a PhD as something that people who are already independently wealthy should pursue to add value to their lives, the degree as a kind of luxury good akin to a Patek Phillippe wristwatch, not an introdcution to an actual, y'know, career. Depressssssssssssssssssssing.

the tune was space, Monday, 2 March 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link

yeah but euler, yall got hella grad students to labor for you, i'm guessing. at an institution without grad students those lower-division courses wouldn't have as many ft faculty giving the lectures, i'm guessing?

j., Monday, 2 March 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link

When I first read that study, I thought the 44% figure for bottom-tier institutions seemed very high! Are there numbers for other disciplines?? A 1.9% difference between Tier 2 and Tier 4 is not bad.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 2 March 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link

i need to read the longer article, but i'd also be curious how those numbers reflect phds who have been on the job market for multiple years--there's just no way that 40% of new phds get TT jobs. i just cant fathom that. granted, i dont know that many people at "tier 1" schools.

ryan, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link

the english job market was particularly brutal this year--and the so-called "secondary market" looks like a wasteland as well.

ryan, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link

j I dunno, my previous job was in a gradless department, without adjuncts, usually with one vap with same salary / bennies as new assistant profs, one more course a year than tt fac but no committee work. Now I have grads but it just means our (fac) intro lectures are bigger. still no adjuncts, minimal vaps again with good salaries (more than I made pretenure at last job) and course loads.

I want to see how disciplinary lines are involved here.

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 2 March 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link

“The real problem is there’s a disconnect in the training. Something has to be done about that. And it goes far beyond English.”

This is way otm

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 2 March 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link

To that point, Colander puts forth four main recommendations. Among them, he suggests programs make their job-placement data publicly available, and that they redesign their curricula and job training to better match what new doctorates will experience after graduation.

“My own feeling is that putting the information out there will not make a big difference; it will make one feel better knowing they gave students the warning,” he said, comparing the posted job data to the warning on a cigarette pack. “The real problem is there’s a disconnect in the training. Something has to be done about that. And it goes far beyond English.”

'training' is the great imaginary solution to all kinds of hard problems, but it doesn't make more jobs appear in Detroit or in academia.

what isn't discussed is 'should there be fewer grad programs?'

iatee, Monday, 2 March 2015 23:41 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I always wonder when people suggest that: what sorts of pragmatic workforce-oriented arts/social sciences/humanities graduate programmes are people envisioning, exactly?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 2 March 2015 23:51 (nine years ago) link

when i was in an english ph. d. program our department secretary did send out an email about reps from the CIA looking to hire us. i was not interested.

horseshoe, Monday, 2 March 2015 23:55 (nine years ago) link

he suggests programs make their job-placement data publicly available

lol right now my department is listing the small handful of jobs i've had since graduation in the half the time i wasn't unemployed or working shit sub-minimum wage work as if they were different jobs gotten by different people placed at different institutions and not just careening from one abandoned post to another. sometimes i get an urge to call them up and be like, i want you to put on your website that i did not get a permanent job and have been an employment disaster.

j., Tuesday, 3 March 2015 00:56 (nine years ago) link


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