sun kil moon?

Good god, "Perils from the Sea" is so beautiful I don't want to believe its by the trolling dickhead of late.

upcoming record w/ Justin Broadrick(!)

http://www.factmag.com/2015/04/27/jesu-and-sun-kil-moon-to-collaborate-on-new-album/

I'll fuckin listen to that

Wondering if he'll shake his recent McConaughey-croak-rap rut for this one.

yeahh boy does it make me wish they had this idea when his voice wasn't shot

I don't necessarily think his voice is shot, just that he is fixated on his drawl and isn't as interested in singing.

Hopefully the music will be loud enough to drown out the vocals.

Hopefully it'll be more like:

"Where are my vocals?"

"You said you wanted an instrumental remix."

hopefully it's just a bunch of boxing sound effects and distorted guitars

ok so if you hated Benji stay far, far away from Universal Themes, which does the same thing except with shitty arrangements, boring lyrics and endless songs (8 tracks in 70 minutes). yikes.

Album arrived this afternoon but haven't listen yet... the lyric sheet is, erm, dense ...

I thought Benji & Perils From The Sea were by far the best things Koz has released since April (and Among The Leaves the worst) so I'm hoping I won't find this terrible!

Among The Leaves had some great songs on it. Probably the weakest as an album though.

This album is interesting... It's like a music version of a mumblecore film. Some sections of lyrics are downright stupid, some moments are powerful, some moments feel like they're powerful but then you realize the lyrics aren't very poignant. Overall it's almost as if someone told him he isn't allowed to write a book so he found a loophole and made this album instead. Some of the shouty bits (esp on The Possum) sound very similar in cadence and tone to the ramblings of the angry drunk homeless dudes I see around town.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvgjzeDssyA

my wife pointed out to me that this stuff sounds like Counting Crows

and she's not wrong

this is some of the worst shit i've ever heard - and i wasn't a total benji hater tbh

There are some really pretty parts throughout the record, but even then the lyrics are usually just some unpoetic story about some insignificant thing he was doing that likely has no deeper meaning.

After a few plays through today, and I actually like it more than I expected. I find these journal-entry style lyrics easier to swallow when set to a decent tune (e.g. "Ben's My friend") though ...

By the closing verses of the last song it's almost like he's intentially trolling the fans he writes about in "Cry Me A River ..."

give it the fuck up already, koz.

He already has. Didn't you listen to the record?

The editor of Uncut Tweeted this after the Barbican show last night but from trying to look at other Tweets from the show I can't figure out what he's referring to. Was anyone there?

@JohnRMulvey 10h10 hours ago

God knows I've spent over 20 years obsessing over and defending Mark Kozelek's music but that was some vile misogynist bullshit tonight.

probably the music

benji was one of the worst things i've heard in my entire life btw

Benji was bad, and i probably won't give the new one much more than a cursory listen, but he remains one of the greatest songwriters of the last 25 years. it's not like he's been making crap music for very long either.

The editor of Uncut Tweeted this after the Barbican show last night but from trying to look at other Tweets from the show I can't figure out what he's referring to. Was anyone there?

https://twitter.com/laurasnapes/status/605689379017867265

Mulvey has written more about it here: http://www.uncut.co.uk/uncut-editors-diary/the-mark-kozelek-problem-68764

relevant paragraphs:

Two hours into the show, however, as Kozelek lurches back onstage for the encore, the theme takes a substantially nastier turn. First he names a British journalist who has, for reasons that are not entirely clear, annoyed him (full disclosure: that journalist is a friend and fellow Uncut writer. I would hope that my disgust at what Kozelek says is not materially affected by this, though he will doubtless beg to differ). Then he begins a spontaneous song about the writer – a woman – about how she “totally wants to fuck me” and how she should “get in line, bitch.”

So this, for me, is the tipping point: the exact moment when borderline dubious ragging becomes straight-up offensive misogyny. Kozelek would inevitably excuse it as his much-vaunted “great sense of humour” and indeed once he’s finished the next songs – “I Can’t Live Without My Mother’s Love” and “Caroline”, about probably the two most important women in his life, ironically enough – he returns to the subject. He calls the writer “nice”, “sweet”, “cute”, as if that would make things better, and claims he was “just kidding”. He then sings the song again.

embarrassing clown of a man. koz, take a holiday for god's sake

So now we’re on the cusp of yet another Kozelek firestorm

frankly I doubt this is going to happen

lol, as if you couldn't tell from listening to his recent music that he's a worthless cunt with nothing to say

red house wasteman

someone should throw him down colorful hill

grace cathedral fuckboy

let the waves wash over him on ocean beach

Has He Forgotten (how to shut the fuck up)

is this guy a serious alcoholic maybe? this behavior is giving off a vibe that is familiar to me

that was my exact guess around the time when warondrugsghazi was happening

Benji was bad, and i probably won't give the new one much more than a cursory listen, but he remains one of the greatest songwriters of the last 25 years. it's not like he's been making crap music for very long either.

― charlie h, Tuesday, June 2, 2015 5:04 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah no matter what we still have his his practically perfect records from 2010 and back. Perils From The Sea was great, too.

A little talk about that show down-thread a little from people who attended here:

http://forum.sadreminders.com/discussion/737/06-01-15-london-barbican-london-uk-sun-kil-moon

It's worth reading the whole of that Uncut review (to get the full sense of disappointment).

Idg what people like about this guy and his music

i've enjoyed some red house painters, but um yeah, it'd probably be for the best if everyone just ignored him now? not that that is going to happen.

Idg what people like about this guy and his music

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, June 2, 2015 1:58 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLUtcmJk0Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pLIC7fK778

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiNzirkNHFk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3POcsR5mkq4

Above examples not representative of his recent "style"

because it sucks

His current style you mean.

Because early Sun Kil Moon material is absolutely incredible to me the only criticism I have is that sometime between RHP and SKM his voice suddenly got all congested and jowly sounding. Other than that his music up to 2010 (case by case past that) is just stunning.

lol yeah u know me!

so... leo kottke for depressive gen xers

yeeeah this guy is not for me

Ha! not quite but alright.

I think Kozelek fans are quite divided on what the best stuff is. Could never get into much beyond the first Sun Kil Moon album. I might try a few more things but for me nothing beats the atmospheric, obsessive emotional outpouring of the first few Red House Painters releases. That stuff is fucking magic. I think in a few ways his style was almost reversed, kinda like David Byrne's singing voice.

I love Red House Painters as well. I just felt it made more sense to link some nice Sun Kil Moon songs to show the contrast it has to his recent stuff under the same name. I feel like he should have moved onto his third moniker now given how different he sounds now.