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the real mvp poll ILH MVP 2015

Feel like it's between curry and harden despite what wbrook is doing. lebro waited too long to get going and the league is bored w him now. Brow has missed too many games too and no one talks about him anymore cos they probs just think he's gonna win like 7 in a row starting next year. Cp def should be in the convo but curry vined him twice this year so he's disqualified.

Aka kev otm

Currys been smoking hot since the asb too. But yeah he doesn't play many 4th qs.

curry is better than harden but harden is more "valuable" in that the rockets would be much worse w/out him than the w's w/o curry, imo.

this is m/l my reasoning for putting harden at the one slot

― Clay, Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:41 AM (7 hours ago

i think lagoon is overselling the case a little bit (basketball isn't baseball, which is essentially a 1-on-1 simulation run 600 times -- one player can affect his team's fortunes to a significant degree), but anytime you get into valuable talk you get into dicey territory. like it's definitely possible that by taking harden off the rockets his team is in much worse shape than if steph got taken off the warriors, but it's not really fair to penalize steph for the rest of his team being really good

Brow has missed too many games

― #wegonnabechampionship (Spottie), Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:18 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

has played exactly the same # of games as westbrook

why hasnt this thread been deleted yet

westbrook has missed too many games too

1. curry
2. beard
3. cp3
4. bron
5. brow
6. juiceman

sometimes i wonder how playing in the western conference might affect lebron's stature/legacy

I honestly think about that pretty often, it will def be something that's talked about re: the scope of lebron's career after he's retired, that he spent his entire career dominating a weak conference

it helps his legacy to be a Z-time champion

prob wouldve had a couple fewer finals appearances but for most of his career the imbalance wasnt nearly as strong as it is rn

like for this season for my hypothetical MVP vote i just couldn't countenance giving him a vote over curry/harden/paul, players leading their teams to equal or better records who play in a conference that is 10x tougher

stats vs west conf actually lil better than vs east

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/splits/

teams still play over a third of their games against the other conference u guys know

stats vs west conf actually lil better than vs east

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/splits/

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:10 PM (1 minute ago)

yeah and the cavs have dominated the west in the 2nd half iirc but the other games matter too

bron doesnt deserve the mvp because he a. stopped playing defense b. is not as good at offense as he once was

teams still play over a third of their games against the other conference u guys know

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:11 PM (3 minutes ago)

playing 1/3 vs 2/3 against a much tougher conference is a huge difference, tho as mentioned bron has played well against the west

part of this is about this year's MVP vote but part is about legacy/titles. i mean bron obviously knows as well as anyone playing in the east has helped him

cavs 18-12 vs the west

playing 1/3 vs 2/3 against a much tougher conference is a huge difference, tho as mentioned bron has played well against the west

― k3vin k., Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:17 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i suspect as far as an individuals stats its prob not that big of a difference

i mean much what is much

the five teams who have given up the most points this year are all in the west

the east is soooooo bad

the five teams who have given up the most points this year are all in the west

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 2, 2015 2:25 PM (7 minutes ago)

wow advanced stat

context kevin, context

only 4 of the bottom 13 teams in point differential are in the west

and only 4 of the top 13 are in the east

the west is better obvs, but thats not what were talking about, were talking about the mvp award, in which case points allowed per game is prob the more relevant stat in this garbage process, ie bron wld have no problem putting up big numbers in the west

yeah except no one cares about points per game anymore

thats weird because theres a high coloration between the options in this poll and the nba scoring leaders

http://i.imgur.com/R4i6dbU.png

well yes the best players tend to score the most

hmmm

anyway i'd like to see a stat like PER adjusted for league quality, WAR in baseball does this. RPM does this in a sense too i guess

that chart proves chris paul isn't the best player, good point

the one chart that explains why a player whos actually good at every facet of the game is being ignored in favor of a bunch of one dimensional chuckers

Players who have enough offensive talent that their teams use them as the first option tend to rise to the top of the list of scoring leaders, but mvps tend to be at least above average defensive players, too. Harden was in the same category as melo in mvp conversations until he tightened up his defense this year. He still won't win it.

Where things get sticky is players like AD, who is great at both ends but gets penalized for his team's poor W-L record.

xp boogie, brow, bron and steph are one dimensional chuckers????

(yes, bron isn't phenomenal defensively but one dimensional seems like a stretch)

i notably am not asking said flabbergasted question re: juiceman and harden

bron has picked it up defensively since his trip to biogenesis

Harden was in the same category as melo in mvp conversations until he tightened up his defense this year.

― Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:11 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post

hes tightened up his D in the sense of mostly no longer stands perfectly still as if under a witches curse not in the doesnt still get constantly get beat on backdoor cuts sense

steph is gonna win obvs if anyone was wondering

xp boogie, brow, bron and steph are one dimensional chuckers????

― pimento is a cheese, some call it the caviar of the south (slothroprhymes), Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:12 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well obvs not brow

i mean if u want my thoughts on the matter u cn just visit the one true mvp poll ILH MVP 2015

steph is gonna win obvs if anyone was wondering

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:14 PM (4 minutes ago)

yeah i don't think it'll be close

I don't agree any of those guys are the mvp of the ilh board they barely even post

i mean if u want my thoughts on the matter u cn just visit the one true mvp poll ILH MVP 2015

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i voted in both to hedge my political bets, like just in case you have a falling out and decide to run against clay rather than with him

yeah i don't think it'll be close

― k3vin k., Thursday, April 2, 2015 4:19 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i wld perfect to see someone who is dominant on both sides of the ball but i wont be mad at steph cause hes doing things no one ever has before, truly becoming a transcendent offensive player, tho i hope he continues to refine his game on that end cause while hes brilliant hes still maybe a lil uneven, if harden or russ won i wld be mad tho

Curry has a higher DRPM than Chris Paul

i do not acknowledge that stat

*win, jesus am i high in this thread

injured too long - it will be lou will or 🙏🙏isaiah🙏🙏

lol are you bout ta propose some truther theories

― slothroprhymes, Sunday, April 12, 2015 12:13 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya idk pop is some sort of actual wizard?

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2014/05/spurs-game-of-thrones.jpg

well yea of course, tim is also a once in a lifetime player more so than any spurs star even the admiral, but the "system" critique can prob be employed about many others (which is not to say that it should)

just tried to construct a spurs lineup where kawhi guards steph and maybe u cld do it but prob not with parker playing

cause who amongst us wld not love to see that match up

kawhi will definitely see some time on steph if/when they meet in the offs

not the whole game but stretches

wld like to see like the solid last ten mins of a close game

i mean what if steph gets the mvp then kawhi owns the hell out of him, awkward

haralabob getting mad @ steph "elite defender" hype rn on twtr

strauss is a pretty blatant homer. curry is obviously a legendary offensive player and an average defender, nothing wrong with that

its not just strauss

calling steph an 'elite defender' is hyped-up nonsense, but he's not a matador defender or anything that bad. and he is this season's mvp. if steph doesn't have it locked down by now the mvp voters have shit for brains.

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it's not really fair but now that the rockets aren't going to have home court in the first round i think harden has zero chance

results are right and just imo, some brow presence would be great but his snub is a sad yet foregone conclusion in the IRL voting so I'm assuming we went in with the same thinking here

Westbrook voters out yourselves

I voted for harden two weeks ago but would shift that over to Steph today, I have been justly convinced

i don't think brow in any way shape or form deserves the MVP

BROW GOAT

grantland's hot takes on eoy awards
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-awards-ballot-part-1-in-praise-of-the-individual/

most of the picks are pretty reasonable imo altho i disagree re: 6 man because #homer

grantland obv cribbed their mvp ballot from my list upthread

low's top 5 is my exact top 5