Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

yeah i was about to say, ilx def has its rough and unforgiving aspects. it's quiiite a few orders of mag different tho

of course

I would like to think our hazing is non-gender specific

it's not always but whattayagonna do

figure out how to haze in a non-gender specific way imo

forks otm, ilx taunting can veer into the territory of misandry

tbh we're a lot worse at encouraging people to provoke their tendency toward mental illness

^^^ very true

it's easier on the hands to do so on console than PC

everyone I know who's an old complains about playing fps games on pc

― mh, Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:11 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just wanted to clarify that there are no console fps games; there are fps games, which are played with WASD and a mouse, and then there's america's army: fuck yeah or whatever it is one plays with the lil sticks

the other weekend i escorted a friend to an anime convention and won an unreal tournament tournament against a bunch of kids who obviously wanted to be playing something else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ulHI2zqUE0

I am of the same mind as you in what I play, but that is 100% wrong when it comes to 2015

well yeah.

tbh when you said "unreal tournament" my first thought was "is that even a thing"

I am aware of UT and UT2 and I think they made something with a year after it? Am I even on the right track?

there have been a few, one of which they've (rightly) decided to pretend never existed. this was the first one (UT) but the organizers thought it was the third one (UT2004). i could not convince them otherwise and i don't think anyone else in the building was qualified.

lol awesome

tbf the fps dudes are still spewing the most toxic shit imaginable at each other in their shooters
― mh, Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:07 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wasn't meaning to suggest that other elements of the game audience isn't vile! I'm just saying those dudes could give a fuck about ethics in game journalism. Though I'm sure they would tacitly or passively support gamergate just out of a sheer commitment to being horrible. I'm just saying, trust me (TRUST ME!) no one gets more butthurt abt anything relating to the coverage of games than hardcore jrpg dudes and trust me it's not close

oh god i don't doubt it for a second

I wonder if there's a psychology thesis in studying the abnormal behaviors prevalent amongst people who like games where you shoot other people in the face vs people who like games starring magical panty-flashing teenage girls

yeah, I didn't mean to imply those guys would be into gamergate, but the trend of "you can be a garbage human being while playing video games" is something common between casual players and the complete gg weirdos!

I really casually play (lol) Diablo 3 and after the expansion for the game came out I was playing pretty regularly with this group a husband/wife couple started. They just added people who actually communicated in games, kind of joked around in a goofy way, and it was pleasant.

The game has some really gg-type weirdos who play constantly, though, and I've had a few times where one guy went afk for a second or someone played the game in a way differently than the 100% optimal rules some guy listed on a youtube video and some weirdo will just type brief shit about how people are f*gs and be a dick and ragequit.

I have the impression WoW is a lot like that -- a pretty diverse audience but a number of completely antisocial weirdos who treat everyone else like shit.

jrpg afficionados, idk, that is a whole different world of misery

are any of the major ones even online multiplayer these days? I feel like that is one of those things where casual players would play the game but not participate in dialogue with other players because it's extraneous to the game, but the hardcore people are insane and probably talk about nothing but jrpgs

We do have a record of gamerfreak convos from the Chrono Trigger era: Usenet.

Tho I fuckin' dare someone to swim thru those archives.

Come to think of it, it was 20 yrs this month that I got Trumpet Winsock working in my dorm room so's I could websurf over a 14.4

it was twenty years ago today
kingfish got the trumpet winsock to play

brb gonna ask my wife about naming our firstborn 'trumpet winsock'

I wonder if there's a psychology thesis in studying the abnormal behaviors prevalent amongst people who like games where you shoot other people in the face vs people who like games starring magical panty-flashing teenage girls

http://wotiplayed.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/2012-10-11_00001.jpg

lol borderlands

everybody knows how that one ends, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVpg0vws10Y

Borderlands has a way of simultaneously mocking & pandering to its audience that's very South Park

Ha OTM

I don't think I listened to that guy's full set of dialogue

I do know he does not like it if you shoot him somewhere other than the face

http://gawker.com/how-gamergate-radicals-seized-sci-fis-most-prestigious-1696731611

Eh, Gawker have of course plenty of reason to hate Gamergate, but it's kind of ass-backward to claim that it's the driver here - it caught on partly because it fit into a narrative of "They're coming for our.." that had already been happening in other arenas, including sci-fi (Sad Puppies was doing this last year as well) and comics.

just posting it because i didn't know about any of the sf dramaz at all

Andrew did you read the article?

Yeah - it looks like someone wrote a pretty good article about it, and someone said "now make it 25% more about GamerGate", and slapped the headline on it.

Well gg was supporting it and teaming up
It's the same cultural movement in 2 areas that have always shared strong ties
Also headlines are meant to get people to read articles, I don't really think it's misleading since gg started championing sad puppies

insert ethics in journalism joke

I'd settle for journalism in journalism.

Cap'n Save-a-Gate

Save-a-Gate, Ride-a-Fanboy

Fuck you, nv - friends of mine are affected by this shit, friends of theirs are some of the principals. Lazy journalism remains lazy journalism.

it was zung more in laziness than anger but sometimes you seem to be looking for "balance" where i don't see much

sure GG weren't the original angry white nerds but that hashtag has become a focal point/energizer for most of this "dissent" and the Gawker piece sets out the connections/timeline fairly imo

Where, exactly, am I looking for "balance" again? I'm just pointing out what the article itself points out (and then ignores) - that this is a pre-existing campaign that was already doing this quite successfully before Gamergate - describing it as 'falling to Gamergate' is just lazy.

Is your point that these guys would have been successful at hijacking the Hugos even if GamerGate hadn't happened? Because I don't believe that; I think all of these existing groups are using GamerGate as a rallying point and hitching their wagons to it and that this was an arena where the pool was small enough for it to have an impact.

I don't know about that, they got a lot of names on the ballot last year, and the awards were still visibly diverse, I think they were always going to come back strong, and indeed call in help.

As soon as Gamergate started, there was a lot of "Oh shit yeah, this has been happening in science fiction / comics / atheism as well, the SJW have been infiltrating". And I'm sure that when Milo Manara's Spiderwoman cover blew up, which I think was the last thing before that, there was a lot of "Oh shit yeah, this has been happening in science fiction / gaming / atheism as well".

I am not of course saying that no-one who identifies with Gamergate has been pitching in to this. It's just that Gawker's "and the name of the beast is Gamergate" is silly and self-serving.

I could be wrong, but I feel like the spillover of online tactics into real life is something GG sort of took to a new level. Like now if you want to derail or ruin something (or, worse, someone's life) there are not only established procedures but also a standing pool of people ready to help at the drop of a hashtag. Maybe something like this would have happened, but not as... thoroughly?

yeah this is what i'm saying, of course it's not the only game in town but it has a level of mass that will bring other hateful internet fucks into its orbit at some point

Anecdotally it's seems to be the crest of a wave - Anita Sarkeesian has been getting this shit for years. But yeah definitely the weaponisation of it, the way that targets are painted on people and their life turns into a nightmare, is as you say something GG took to a new level.

Though, er, if that is the mark of the beast it seems (from what I've seen) to be absent in this case?

Well, I mean more in terms of being able to go post a couple of tweets or forum things like "hey guys SJW are over here too!" and suddenly get an army (legion? platoon? not sure of the numbers involved in the sci-fi case) ready to pay $40 to vote a slate of books they haven't read. I mean this obviously crosses over with much older geek impulses - geeks love boycotts and pro-cotts, feels like you're Doing Something for Free Speech without doing anything really.