or cambodia?
― Mordy, Monday, 27 April 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link
cambodia was wrong too
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 April 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link
(the bombing of it, that is)
the no-accountability is the problem here
Mordy gung ho for the clean clinical Star Trek approach to being a badass superpower
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 April 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link
tbf more conventional warfare is not any more accountable or targeted
― Mordy, Monday, April 27, 2015 4:18 PM
Hearing a Prez announce we are at war is different than a president who will not even use the word "drone" or say where and when his CIA determined that there was a probability of a terrorist camp being located
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 April 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
The Nixon secret bombing of Cambodia was wrong too
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 April 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
Geez no one here is arguing about whether it was wrong to bomb Cambodia. I was pointing out that conventional military can be used for unaccountable secret war actions just as easily as drones. Maybe drones make it easier but they also have X advantages
― Mordy, Monday, 27 April 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
yeah I don't think "just as easily" is correct
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 April 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link
I don't think people have an issue with the actual drone technology as much as with how it's being used/deployed with zero oversight or accountability
Vietnam provided cover for plane movements and any potential losses in Cambodia. Would be much tougher today even on the fringes of actual war zones, let alone in areas the U.S. has no overt business. One element is the accountability to the international community, which tbf can be usually brushed aside, the other element is potential domestic accountability for American casualties. Drones that have zero risk of American deaths (other than the Americans they are targeting) remove that.
― Petite Lamela (ShariVari), Monday, 27 April 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
The good ol' days of 2012
The Obama Administration uses the word "surgical" to describe its drone strikes.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/calling-us-drone-strikes-surgical-is-orwellian-propaganda/262920/
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 April 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link
It's a hell of a pin point operation
― Mordy, Monday, 27 April 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
"paging Dr Benway"
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 April 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
Mordy check yr webmail plz
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 April 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
A drone or another intelligence device is sorta like being at a football game sitting on the 50-yard line and looking through a soda straw. I mean you see what you see.
A quote from retired Brigadier General Craig Nixon from that Atlantic article
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 April 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
Morbs otm
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 27 April 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link
Never read Burroughs novels I confess, so I had to look up "Dr. Benway."
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 April 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link
where the satisfied customer gets killed!
The drone infrastructure uses Big Data to “build target packages” about its high-value individuals, while corporations can “build profiles of the most profitable current customers.” Drones attempt “to maintain 24/7 persistent stare,” just as corporations need “to get a 360 view of the customer.”
https://theintercept.com/2015/10/23/drones-ibm-and-the-big-data-of-death/
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 October 2015 12:11 (eight years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/birth-control-drones-africa_us_56a8a3b4e4b0947efb65fc11
The idea grew into a successful pilot program called Project Last Mile, which has for months been successfully flying birth control, condoms and other medical supplies to rural areas of Ghana on 5-foot-wide drones. The program, which is jointly funded by Coca-Cola, UNFPA, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the United States Agency for International Development, is now expanding into six other African countries in hopes of revolutionizing women's health and family planning across the continent. The drone operator simply packs the vehicle with contraception and medical supplies from a warehouse in an urban area and pilots it over to places that are difficult to access by car. There, a local health worker meets the drone and picks up the supplies. "Delivery to the rural areas used to take two days," Sunkutu said at the International Conference on Family Planning in Bali, Indonesia. "It will now take 30 minutes." Access to birth control is a massive problem in Africa, especially Sub-Saharan Africa, where fewer than 20 percent of women are using modern contraceptives. The World Health Organization estimates that 225 million women in developing countries around the world would like to delay or stop childbearing, but lack reliable birth control methods. The lack of access leads to exceedingly high rates of unintended pregnancy in these areas, which prevents women and girls from finishing school or becoming employed. And roughly 47,000 women a year die of complications from unsafe abortions.
"Delivery to the rural areas used to take two days," Sunkutu said at the International Conference on Family Planning in Bali, Indonesia. "It will now take 30 minutes."
Access to birth control is a massive problem in Africa, especially Sub-Saharan Africa, where fewer than 20 percent of women are using modern contraceptives. The World Health Organization estimates that 225 million women in developing countries around the world would like to delay or stop childbearing, but lack reliable birth control methods. The lack of access leads to exceedingly high rates of unintended pregnancy in these areas, which prevents women and girls from finishing school or becoming employed. And roughly 47,000 women a year die of complications from unsafe abortions.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 21:41 (eight years ago) link
WASHINGTON — President Obama on Thursday offered an emotional apology for the accidental killing of two hostages held by Al Qaeda, one of them American, in a United States government counterterrorism operation in January, saying he takes “full responsibility” for their deaths.
“As president and as commander in chief, I take full responsibility for all our counterterrorism operations,” including the one that inadvertently took the lives of the two captives, a grim-faced Mr. Obama said in a statement to reporters in the White House briefing room.
“I profoundly regret what happened,” he added. “On behalf of the U.S. government, I offer our deepest apologies to the families.”
Mr. Obama’s remarks came shortly after the White House released an extraordinary statement revealing that intelligence officials had confirmed that Warren Weinstein, an American held by Al Qaeda since 2011, and Giovanni Lo Porto, an Italian held since 2012, died during a drone strike.
― Mordy, Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:54 PM (10 months ago)
The White House promised a “full review” of the strike, possible changes to policies around drone strikes, and compensation for the Weinstein and Lo Porto families.
Nearly a year later, little has emerged about the investigation. And while Weinstein’s family is reportedly still negotiating a settlement with the CIA, Lo Porto’s relations have had no contact with the U.S. government, directly or through the Italian authorities....
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/15/one-year-on-no-justice-for-giovanni-lo-porto-italian-hostage-killed-in-us-drone-strike/
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 March 2016 20:35 (eight years ago) link
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--qjkBhxSJ--/rskc0gjiohvn4cqvqhuu.gif
― ulysses, Thursday, 12 May 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147?CMP=share_btn_tw
The drones came for Ayman Zawahiri on 13 January 2006, hovering over a village in Pakistan called Damadola. Ten months later, they came again for the man who would become al-Qaida’s leader, this time in Bajaur.Eight years later, Zawahiri is still alive. Seventy-six children and 29 adults, according to reports after the two strikes, are not.However many Americans know who Zawahiri is, far fewer are familiar with Qari Hussain. Hussain was a deputy commander of the Pakistani Taliban, a militant group aligned with al-Qaida that trained the would-be Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad, before his unsuccessful 2010 attack. The drones first came for Hussain years before, on 29 January 2008. Then they came on 23 June 2009, 15 January 2010, 2 October 2010 and 7 October 2010.Finally, on 15 October 2010, Hellfire missiles fired from a Predator or Reaper drone killed Hussain, the Pakistani Taliban later confirmed. For the death of a man whom practically no American can name, the US killed 128 people, 13 of them children, none of whom it meant to harm.
Eight years later, Zawahiri is still alive. Seventy-six children and 29 adults, according to reports after the two strikes, are not.
However many Americans know who Zawahiri is, far fewer are familiar with Qari Hussain. Hussain was a deputy commander of the Pakistani Taliban, a militant group aligned with al-Qaida that trained the would-be Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad, before his unsuccessful 2010 attack. The drones first came for Hussain years before, on 29 January 2008. Then they came on 23 June 2009, 15 January 2010, 2 October 2010 and 7 October 2010.
Finally, on 15 October 2010, Hellfire missiles fired from a Predator or Reaper drone killed Hussain, the Pakistani Taliban later confirmed. For the death of a man whom practically no American can name, the US killed 128 people, 13 of them children, none of whom it meant to harm.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 26 August 2016 10:14 (seven years ago) link
Wait, that's from 2014 - i just saw it come up again on Twitter.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 26 August 2016 10:19 (seven years ago) link
regular drone, not killer drone, but hey this is the thread we have
Hit-and-Run Drone Collision Causes Power Outage for 1,600 in Google’s Hometown
― sleeve, Monday, 12 June 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
Home-made drones now threaten conventional armed forces
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 February 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
^ yup
F-35 fighter aircraft cost roughly $100 million per unit, not counting maintenance. You can buy one helluva lot of drone aircraft for that kind of money.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 15 February 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/20/tens-of-thousands-of-passengers-stranded-by-gatwick-airport-drones
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 21 December 2018 03:44 (five years ago) link
drones
― large bananas pregnant (ledge), Friday, 21 December 2018 08:50 (five years ago) link
i can't remember this and it's impossible to google and it's driving me crazy: who composed the early drone/experimental piece "was?" (german for "what?")
― na (NA), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link
fuck wrong thread
You think?
"“Like in many other areas of drone regulation, the statutory and regulatory framework is lagging the technology,” said Reggie Govan, a former chief counsel to the F.A.A. who now teaches at the University of Pennsylvania Law School. “It’s just that simple.”"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/01/us/drones-FAA-colorado-nebraska.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
― Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 January 2020 10:22 (four years ago) link