tipping

Man, dropping a digit, doubling, and rounding up to the nearest dollar is just the easiest thing, why doesn't everyone just do that?

otm

Wrong in which direction?

― Who M the best? (Will M.), Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:36 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u know which direction lol

As a human being who lives on this Earth, this is the proudest moment of my existence so far

https://instagram.com/p/2G8nh8v0L1/?taken-by=itsatrilby

Tipping's the quickest and simplest way to do something about income inequality, sez

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/04/want-to-do-something-about-income-inequality-start-tipping-more/?hpid=z10

thats consumer-power logic

http://ny.eater.com/2015/10/14/9517747/danny-meyer-no-tipping-restaurants

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/18/i-dare-you-to-read-this-and-still-feel-ok-about-tipping-in-the-united-states/

That's another wrinkle that many people don’t know about, right? Tipping in the United States actually dates back to slavery.

The origin of tipping is really the feudal system, it’s this idea of noblesse oblige. But when tipping came to the United States, it had a real racial tinge to it, because, originally, the workers who earned tips were almost exclusively black workers—they were newly freed slaves.

There was this massive anti-tipping movement to protest the practice, a resounding populist movement that actually got anti-tipping bills passed in six states across the country, including Washington state and many southern states. What’s interesting is that that movement, the anti-tipping populist one, ending up spreading to Europe and succeeding, because the labor movement picked it up and said ‘we are professionals, and we shouldn’t have to live on tips, because we should be paid by our employers.’ That’s why you see so little tipping in Europe. What we started here spread there and actually killed it at the origin in Europe.

We, on the other hand, went in the opposite direction in the states. The restaurant industry, which was hiring newly freed slaves as tipped workers, really wanted the right to hire these workers but pay them next to nothing. So they put forth this idea that they were valueless and really shouldn’t have to be paid by their employers. They essentially made the argument that newly freed slaves should get a zero dollar wage.

And part of the racial divide, part of what made tipping such a race-specific practice, is that there was a cultural stigma where white people would balk at the idea of being tipped because they found it degrading?

Exactly. In fact, among the six states that passed tipping bans, five of them were southern states, and it was based on this idea that black workers were the only workers making tips, because there was this idea that you only tip inferiors. That is what I mean when I say the origins are noblesse oblige. The origin is that you tip an inferior. When the practice came to the United States, the newly freed slaves, the black workers, were the equivalent of the proletariat in the feudal system. When these states banned tipping, it was because they were trying to discourage whites from tipping instead of actually paying former slaves.

woah. damn.

luv 2 tip

https://1minionsopinion.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/tipping-is-unamerican.jpg

a bonus
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just came here to post that article

brits, we get it, yr cheap bastards. it's kool.
― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 20 January 2007 18:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

Down with slavery.

required tipping (servers making under a livable wage) is dud, tipping people because they did great is awesome

service charges are making headway in Seattle after the start of phasing in a higher min wage (even with a temporary $1 tip credit discount available to small employers), by all accounts it has been great for the restaurants that have adopted it. But then again this is a town where the bagel shop near my house is offering $250 gift card bounties for referrals so ymmv.

is that for referring a new employee? i could get into making bagels

Yep.

tipping isn't just historically a form of noblesse oblige. And for workers, it's another example of capitalist practice in America, where it is possible to "make a lot of money if you work hard," that element of self-determination and hustling that doesn't seem as present in European countries with more socialist policies and greater social safety nets.

Semi-relatedly, are other sales/service jobs that get a substantial amount of their compensation from commissions and bonuses based on revenue generated for the company by that worker as prevalent in the UK/Europe as they are here in the U.S.?

Plenty of sales jobs would have a substantial revenue-earned related bonus/component, no idea if the ratio of basic salary in these roles or if the ratio of these types of roles to overall workforce is comparable tho

i went to my first non-asian cuisine fancy no tipping new york restaurant a month back

it was one recommended to be by noted ilxor and tipper max (roman's)

it was the first day of their no tipping policy and everyone was confused, but when the server heard my accent he said "oh you'll get this" lol

http://www.grubstreet.com/2016/03/andrew-tarlow-romans-no-tipping-update.html#

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/business/joes-crab-shack-tried-getting-rid-of-tips-it-didnt-last-long.html

In one closely watched case, Joe’s Crab Shack has decided to revert to accepting tips at most of its trial locations, six months after announcing that it would become the nation’s first major restaurant chain to test a no-tipping policy at 18 locations.

The casual seafood chain, which is based in Houston and has more than 130 restaurants nationwide, raised its menu prices at the test sites and said it gave higher, fixed wages to its staff. At the time, Ray Blanchette, then the chief executive of its parent company, Ignite Restaurant Group, called tipping “an antiquated model.”

But Bob Merritt, the new chief executive, announced in a conference call with investors and analysts last week that the company was cutting back the experiment and that it would continue at just four restaurants, according to Nation’s Restaurant News.

Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said.

But Bob Merritt, the new chief executive, announced in a conference call with investors and analysts last week that the company was cutting back the experiment and that it would continue at just four restaurants, according to Nation’s Restaurant News.

Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said.

:(

https://medium.com/@driver8/while-no-one-really-believes-that-uber-is-protecting-drivers-from-racist-tipping-practices-the-c47145d2b82e#.t2ea2ij5e

OK, can anyone explain this controversy to me? I heard an American on a podcast say "This is terrible: Uber said they were tipping the driver for us, but it turns out that's not true!" If the tip is an automated %, then what's the distinction between the money in this "tip" and the money in the drivers' cut of the fare?

Shouldn't people just care how much money the driver gets from the fare overall?

Are the complainers implying that they knew exactly how much Uber cut the drivers and were calculating that there was extra money on top of that figure?

being tipped is being paid at someone's discretion or seemingly at someone's discretion if there's no hint of discretion it's not a tip it's just a payment

tipping is weird and makes people think or almost think weird things

It gives a sense of control to the consumer that makes them believe they have power in the transaction, affirming the validity of a class of worker that is more servant that server, paid at our discretion

https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/internet-explodes-after-a-couple-posts-passive-aggressive-tipping-trick

diiiiiiicks

i wonder if there is a statistically significant correlation between referring to "the wife" and this kind of behavior

he should be careful flashing that kind of cash around. pretty soon he won't be able to afford to take his wife to Denny's anymore.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shake-shack-founder-says-tipping-is-a-hoax-142228863.html

It looks like this was covered in that WaPo article posted upthread (last year), but it was new to me:

How did tipping become the norm in the U.S.?

Well, the practice has some racist roots––that go all the way back to slavery: pic.twitter.com/pyeAfdJrhV

— Splinter (@splinter_news) September 11, 2017

"But what if I told you tipping had a racist past?"

well, I'd stop doing it immediately. Thanks lady!

oh man, there were comments to that effect

that's not how it works, it just makes it clear it's essential unless you go somewhere that you know wait staff are making a living wage!

oy

Yes the blanket advice of "leave America immediately" is usually safely good

brb going to your "lads" thread

Hmmm 'oy' might be a fair translation tbh

Having just moved to the US, my usual strategy of panicking and at least knowing I will never be back at this establishment is going to fail soon

when i moved to canada i just started conversations about tipping with some people, and from that arrived at a blanket 20% tip in all service situations as being generous and therefore not making me look like a thrifty brit.

http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-for-busses-startup-launches-ico-to-end-tipping-altogether-2017-11

I hate these people

startup launches to make poor people poorer

also less free

I don't get it, is there any cost to the 'rater' of rating the server?

yeah, it's definitely evil but also makes no sense? I'm sticking with Bodega Box for my startup dollars.

They should have focused on CEOs. Their cryptocurrency could function both as a review and as a replacement for bonuses and stock options, and would follow CEOs to their next job in the CEO gig economy.

Today the Trump administration took their first major step towards allowing employers to legally take tips earned by the workers they employ. https://t.co/bs6qMHHj7G

— Economic Policy Institute (@EconomicPolicy) December 4, 2017

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/11/business/tipping-sexual-harassment.html

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