i'm finding the arya stuff utterly interminable, which she is too so hey maybe it's a very very clever way of attuning the viewer to her experience.
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:00 (eight years ago) link
Nah the Arya bits are cool, really atmospheric.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:01 (eight years ago) link
i do also have the problem that on my laptop screen it just looks like a bunch of vaguely defined figures moving around in pitch darkness
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:04 (eight years ago) link
this was definitely the weakest episode of the season and one of the weaker installments overall, although i really liked the tyrion, cersei and arya scenes. also ADEBISI LIVES
that said i've really enjoyed this season, mostly bc i've stopped caring overmuch about where it all ends up, being overly concerned with "sticking the landing" or w/e is one of the biggest problems w/ how we (royal we) watch serialized television imo
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:19 (eight years ago) link
well, bronn did say "this song is all about the ending," so maybe they're acknowledging the place holding going on this season.
― ryan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:26 (eight years ago) link
Arya scenes are a little cliche Karate Kid though right? Instructor fucks with student via vague "tests" and pranks, then whether it is clear or not suddenly the student is ready for the next phase of mild psychological abuse etc. repeat until they become an amazing ninja assassin.
― Evan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:32 (eight years ago) link
the authoritative ratings from the world's #1 expert who still can't remember the names of major characterstyrion scenes: Aarya scenes: A-kings landing scenes: Athe wall/north of the wall/winter is coming: B+stannis/bolten/winterfell: Bdaenerys: D-dorne: F (oberyn was A+)
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:34 (eight years ago) link
dorne is so badthe casting was done in the parking lot behind tj maxx
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:35 (eight years ago) link
xxp would not surprise me at all if karate kid was a semi-inspiration for that, after all GRRM has said a zillion times that oberyn martell is...was (sob)...more or less inigo montoya
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:36 (eight years ago) link
mostly agree with you karl although i remain a daenerys partisan and am only now starting to feel the feet dragging with those scenes (as seems to be true of many surrounding her!), i did not mind that stuff in seasons 3 and 4
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:37 (eight years ago) link
Doesn't help that Obara's "tough face" is the same one I see 6 year olds make when they're dressed up like little super heroes.
― Evan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:38 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlL56OCPEaw
― Evan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
i want to enjoy the daenerys stuff, but the acting is pretty bad and the set design and look and feel of it just seems very 2nd unit-y
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
Wonder if that guy has given up on Arya being a full fledged nobody and realised that she won't let go of the past, but will train her in a limited way so he wasn't completely wasting his time on her.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:44 (eight years ago) link
netw3rk's weekly explainer/context-giver for watchers who are not book readers http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/ask-the-maester-sansas-horrific-wedding-the-bolton-stark-alliance-and-the-sand-snakes/
this part in particular made me lol/is how i want to answer a lot of nitpicky shit about the show:
Michael asks, “Is there any canon explanation for why there seems to have been like no technological advancement in the world of GoT for the past 8,000 years or so? I mean, I know the doom of Valyria set things back a bit, but 8,000 years and they haven’t invented the steam engine, discovered electricity, or anything?”This hasn’t been dealt with directly but (as with everything else) there are numerous fan theories, some of which are quite involved, none of which are really worth talking about, because the answer is, “That’s the genre.”
This hasn’t been dealt with directly but (as with everything else) there are numerous fan theories, some of which are quite involved, none of which are really worth talking about, because the answer is, “That’s the genre.”
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link
We've never seen anyone even wearing spectacles or the equivalent have we? Qyburn maybe, or another Maester as they are supposed to be tech gatekeepers as much as anything. But maybe there's just enough 'magic' and fear of eerie powers apparent in GoT world to keep the pursuit of technology out of most inhabitants reach or intellectual curiosity.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 15:00 (eight years ago) link
i just go with "its the equivalent of the dark ages in most ways" and leave it at that
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 15:02 (eight years ago) link
There are definitely nitpicky questions that are relevant to the story or the general world building but that isn't one of them. It also seems to get brought up all the time across the fantasy genre but I don't get why it bothers anybody enough to need an answer. Just rationalize it somehow and move on.
xxp
― Evan, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link
i'm still hopeful that at some point the police from monty python/holy grail will bust into westeros and arrest everyone
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 15:11 (eight years ago) link
I think the real question is why our world hasn't developed magic or dragons yet.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link
idk, considering they have winters that last years where loads of people starve to death and they have to spend years on survival - doesn't seem that difficult to reconcile to me. how can they plan or invest when they don't know when winter will end?
― gyac, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link
The winter thing makes no sense either tbf
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:44 (eight years ago) link
Like how would life even evolve under those conditions
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link
series should end with all the different kings pledging money for R&D into inventing the light bulb
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:46 (eight years ago) link
The true answer is that the people and only the people are the driving force in the creation of world history, to paraphrase Mao Zedong. So since the big houses have all the power, and the people has none, progression is halted. The good ending for the series would be the smallfolk finally realizing their class interests, and rising up.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link
Most of season seven consists of Loach'ian discussions amongst the Brotherhood of the Banners about the true way to achieve an uprising amongst the peasants. Then there's some boobs, then some more discussion.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
it was posted (i think here) a looong time ago – but someone shared a link that went into how all knowledge is basically intrusted to the Maesters. and that they have an interest in keeping that to themselves, it makes advancement incredibly difficult to achieve.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
Peasant uprising would be amazing. It seems like GRRM hints at something like that, or at least he seems pretty cynical about the typical fantasy trope of the "chosen one." Obviously he uses it to some extent, but so far, the chosen ones get their heads chopped off at some point.
― schwantz, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link
this seems kind of similar to the Helliconia series by Brian Aldiss-winters that last a super long time and destroy progress, a priesthood that keeps knowledge from the people etc.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link
the sparrows thing is m/l a peasant uprising, focused around religious zealotry, obvs one of the best ways to rally the dispossessed
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
Mostly OTM, but compromised by having one of the two onscreen representatives be from a ruling, aristocratic family.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
eh, they gave up all their shit, every revolution has defectors from the powerful side
it is a shame the 7 gods cant protect you from flames though
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
VG the head room reminded me of Return to Oz too!Ramsey Bolton isn't the only one (not) troubling the charts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiqF9KRgyck
― kinder, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
Red lady too.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link
Diana Rigg totally won this episode.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 22:11 (eight years ago) link
― Frederik B, Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:51 PM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 04:03 (eight years ago) link
It's horrible how well this workshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VTkL62YnTA
― tsrobodo, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 04:17 (eight years ago) link
Brilliant end.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 05:08 (eight years ago) link
BTW I'm pretty sure I've been in that Dorne palace where everything kicked off. Is it the Alcazar of Seville?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
yeah we were pretty sure it was, and it was: http://scribblerinseville.com/filming-game-of-thrones-in-sevilles-alcazar/
― anonanon, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
nice spot
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link
so #sansagate is a thing
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link
....what
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
do you just mean the negative reactions themselves or is there some creepy counterattack defense thing as well, i am literally always paranoid that that MRA shit is right around the corner :/
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link
A short pause to mark the realisation that from now on *gate will evoke MRAs chimping it up rather than a national scandal that did for a US President.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
i started to read a thinkpiece abt heres why the rape was not necessary to advance the plot but im p sure the person didnt understand what the words plot or necessary meant, guess u wldnt write a piece like that if u did
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link
Considering it was a change from the books, they could have done it differently
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link
The Mary Sue has a solid view on it.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
yes, I read that. People should read that. I think there are spoilers in it though.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link
xposts maybe easier to discuss on the spoiler thread?if we don't know where the plot is going it's p hard to defend a Strong Opinion whether or not the scene was necessary.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 20:38 (eight years ago) link