HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

Like how would life even evolve under those conditions

series should end with all the different kings pledging money for R&D into inventing the light bulb

The true answer is that the people and only the people are the driving force in the creation of world history, to paraphrase Mao Zedong. So since the big houses have all the power, and the people has none, progression is halted. The good ending for the series would be the smallfolk finally realizing their class interests, and rising up.

Most of season seven consists of Loach'ian discussions amongst the Brotherhood of the Banners about the true way to achieve an uprising amongst the peasants. Then there's some boobs, then some more discussion.

it was posted (i think here) a looong time ago – but someone shared a link that went into how all knowledge is basically intrusted to the Maesters. and that they have an interest in keeping that to themselves, it makes advancement incredibly difficult to achieve.

Peasant uprising would be amazing. It seems like GRRM hints at something like that, or at least he seems pretty cynical about the typical fantasy trope of the "chosen one." Obviously he uses it to some extent, but so far, the chosen ones get their heads chopped off at some point.

this seems kind of similar to the Helliconia series by Brian Aldiss-winters that last a super long time and destroy progress, a priesthood that keeps knowledge from the people etc.

the sparrows thing is m/l a peasant uprising, focused around religious zealotry, obvs one of the best ways to rally the dispossessed

Mostly OTM, but compromised by having one of the two onscreen representatives be from a ruling, aristocratic family.

eh, they gave up all their shit, every revolution has defectors from the powerful side

it is a shame the 7 gods cant protect you from flames though

VG the head room reminded me of Return to Oz too!
Ramsey Bolton isn't the only one (not) troubling the charts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiqF9KRgyck

Red lady too.

Diana Rigg totally won this episode.

Most of season seven consists of Loach'ian discussions amongst the Brotherhood of the Banners about the true way to achieve an uprising amongst the peasants. Then there's some boobs, then some more discussion.

― Frederik B, Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:51 PM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

It's horrible how well this works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VTkL62YnTA

Brilliant end.

BTW I'm pretty sure I've been in that Dorne palace where everything kicked off. Is it the Alcazar of Seville?

yeah we were pretty sure it was, and it was: http://scribblerinseville.com/filming-game-of-thrones-in-sevilles-alcazar/

nice spot

so #sansagate is a thing

....what

do you just mean the negative reactions themselves or is there some creepy counterattack defense thing as well, i am literally always paranoid that that MRA shit is right around the corner :/

A short pause to mark the realisation that from now on *gate will evoke MRAs chimping it up rather than a national scandal that did for a US President.

i started to read a thinkpiece abt heres why the rape was not necessary to advance the plot but im p sure the person didnt understand what the words plot or necessary meant, guess u wldnt write a piece like that if u did

Considering it was a change from the books, they could have done it differently

The Mary Sue has a solid view on it.

yes, I read that. People should read that. I think there are spoilers in it though.

xposts maybe easier to discuss on the spoiler thread?
if we don't know where the plot is going it's p hard to defend a Strong Opinion whether or not the scene was necessary.

i think there's a difference between the event happening and whether it needed to be depicted on screen -- so that scene was not necessary, especially considering it wasn't part of source text

the equivalent scene in the source text is like infinitely worse than what was shown on the show

i don't buy any of that. if you're still watching after they killed dozens of babies, portrayed incest, exploded a guys head like a watermelon and cut off a guys cock – you have no right to complain. all this "i will never watch the show again" grandstanding is bs. especially if you've read the books and knew this (or something even worse) was coming.

that was an xpost to the marie sue link

The equivalent scene in the source text isn't in the source text though, as it involves a character that isn't in the TV version at all (I realise I'm skirting the thread title here) - anything they did would be a change.

Considering it was a change from the books, they could have done it differently

― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:30 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literarily anything in any work of art could be done differently

The Mary Sue has a solid view on it.

― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, May 20, 2015 4:35 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha thats the one i stopped read, genuinely odd

I think you're arguing semantic there, but it's obvious what event in the book maps onto the event in the show. xp

it felt gratuitous, esp. in the larger context of the jamie/circe rapey scene from last season that wasn't portrayed as such in the book.

if the complaint is that it happened to one character and not another, that's not much of a moral stand to take against the depiction of rape as a cheap device in fiction

xp -- not to spoil anything, but the only "necessary" things plot wise are:

1. Theon is forced to watch/participate in something horrible Ramsay does to a woman he knew from his time at Winterfell (in the book it was Sansa's bff).
2. Something horrible happens to the woman so that she would want to potentially escape
3. Ramsay is an evil sociopath (which could be argued has already been conveyed adequately)

There is a lot of leeway with how to script and visually depict these plot points

I used to think this show was just about power struggles, but I'm beginning to think it's core reason for existing is to continually test the audience's capacity for shock

the power struggle stuff has gradually receded and/or become incomprehensibly convoluted but the murderboobs quotient abides as a central focus

but I'm beginning to think it's core reason for existing is to continually test the audience's capacity for shock

surely this has been obvious from the finale of season one?

the mary sue piece isnt badly written or not understandable per se but its def moving the goalposts, like why didn't you stop watching the series pilot when drogo has sex with dany in a way that most rational people (myself included!) would term rape or at the very fucking least deficient consent

that said, perhaps the most pressing real problem is the way the camera lingers on theon's face during it, and while i understand that as a way to not actually show us what's happening and kind of appreciate it for that reason, it is inevitably going to imply that the assault is notable in the story for how it makes theon/reek feel rather than uh the victim of sexual assault - whether that's what the benioff/weiss braintrust intended or not

Did anyone read Alyssa Rosenberg's piece? I thought it was interesting:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2015/05/19/game-of-thrones-has-always-been-a-show-about-rape/

do people not remember that there is a much more visually disturbing depiction of sexual violence in the pilot of this show? Of a main character? And that character then falls in love with her rapist-husband? this is not remotely new territory for game of thrones is all.

the pilot also includes incest and attempted murder of a child so I guess it's forgiven if no one remembers one of a thousand revolting crimes that are the foundation of this show.

xpost!

Rosenberg piece is great iirc

and they didn't even address it in their little inside the episode feature.

i wonder to what extent this is more audience upset over sympathetic characters experiencing terrible things (ned, red wedding, etc) but it's being mixed up as moral outrage bc the terrible thing is a rape.

surely this has been obvious from the finale of season one?

haha yeah that was def a red flag that something was up. I guess it took awhile for me to realize that this show is not about characters, politics, religion, gender etc., that shit all takes a back seat to I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY MURDERED THOSE BOOBS-type nonsense

xxp

oh ffs shakey