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― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

sufferation is a great word when used by jamaicans w/ dreads, not pseudo-intellectual white-boy dancehall enthusiasts... plus it was used in a piece about the wild bunch who didn't do a lot of suffering...

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

It sounds like it could be used in "Eve of Destruction"

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

Gregory Hines could say it when he's chasing her!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

so, um, where can we see this review in its altered state?

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

Eth, you can always ask your editor to run any changes by you first - if you respond to emails quickly, some editors won't mind this, and when there's a "change this to this"/"OK I'll change it but try my revision instead of yours" exchange it often solves what the editor sees as a problem without you having to see your name on a piece of shit. NB it sounds like your editor is one of those who changes things just so he/she can feel like an editor, though, in which case this approach is pointless

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 16:53 (twenty years ago) link

I used to have to deal with this with one of my old editors, who was then new and in the shadow of the guy who had built up the mag from nothing and obviously feeling like he had to prove himself to the stable of snarly writers he had inherited.
He had put one of his jokes into one of my things, and since I like to think that I'm pretty good at putting jokes into things, I was quite distraught by the insertion of non-HM humour into my piece. So I threatened to quit, and he said, "okay. do you know how many people are willing to suck my dick to do what you do?"

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

if any editors are reading this i love you all and you should give me work

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

Yes! Editors should always run the final by you for approval.

I'd also like to throw a "Yay" at Keith Harris. That is all.

― Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

you could always finish up that stranded piece on reanimation for stylus, trife. not that we need something for next week or anything.

― toddlburns, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:28 (twenty years ago) link

J0hn - the "could ya maybe run things by me first" gambit has been attempted many times, to no avail

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

and really trife if you're not looking for money you really should write for stylus, spizzazz, freaky trigger, whatever - the readership's gonna be bigger and smarter (potentially deffer even).

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck is grate, every fudge word is a sonar pulse that he has special receptors for. I already write differently, taking out stuff like "seems like to me" and "pretty much" &tc.

The only trouble I had was realizing I actually had a specific assignment :(

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

That is pretty cool but what if you're honestly ambivalent about something?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

ride the snake

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, it seems to me that's pretty much a different case. :)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

Astounding!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

writing for the voice makes the stuff i wrote prior to writing for the voice read like a different person

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

You still write the same around here, though, don't you? Or not?

trife I really hope "rat-faced leprechaun" was referring to Jermaine Dupri.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

ha tracer check out twee emoticon using jess from august 2001! to everything, turn turn turn

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

tracer: yup!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

An editor once inserted the phrase, "But who cares, 'cuz it rocks!" at then end of a Korn review I wrote.

― Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

(at THE end, of course. [...who cares, 'cuz that post rocked!])

― Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

An editor once inserted the phrase, "But who cares, 'cuz it rocks!" at the end of a Korn review I wrote.

Whoa. Was it a negative review?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

I hesitate linking the other review cuz it was really fuckt with, it's a bit old hat for ilx, and it might stir up a nest of corny indie fuxxx (which is the point - this is for an alt-weakly in athens, where hipster record stores pride themselves on not stocking rap - but outta that context and into this I hesitate). (not hard to find following that other link though).

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

If I remember, I was trying to make the slightly complex point that even though the album would be pretty irritating to most ears, it would still please the kids who scrawl "Korn rocks!" in the AOL chat rooms (i.e., it was a success on the terms of the band and its fans). (This was before Korn got huge; they were still kind of a niche skater freak-rock band.) But all that got removed, in favor of "Who cares, 'cuz it rocks!"

The guy was a really poor editor.

― Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

the review really does read like trife's flow has been fucked -- like standerd alt-write dropped inna middle of his bing-bam idea-rattle.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

trife you might wanna play the "listen you amateur fuck - I wrote for pitchfork! thas right - PITCHFORK!", it might work (in athens)

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

Most editors here tell you what changes they want and let you get on with making them, so at least you learn how to do it. It's assumed that you will develop the skill of editing yourself as you go along.

I am very, very lucky in that 1) 95 per cent of the time, my first draft is what runs and 2) I'm rarely at odds with editors because of anything I write, or changes they want me to make. But British magazines are a bit more free-rein than American ones as a whole and it would be interesting to have to deal with one of those Vogue by jury rewrites.

(BTW if Matos shows up to collect his props my friend C rang tonight and says yes you do know her you were hanging a bit at Mpls lifter puller shows and sends props as well)

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

"trife you might wanna play the "listen you amateur fuck - I wrote for pitchfork! thas right - PITCHFORK!", it might work (in athens)"
that prompted me to go to pitchfork and check out your reviews trife. and i must say, i shed tears of laughter at your eminem review. thanks.

― Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

(thanks Suzy, tell her hi as well.)

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 22:07 (twenty years ago) link

the review looks fine and quite ethanish, you can't always get what you want, live and learn etc.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

I have found Maerz to be very helpful and constructive (and I should start pitching stuff to her again, dammit), and Matos has been great so far (though I do sort of wish he'd noticed how many bloody times I used the word 'electro' in a recent DJ Shadow review). I figure you're in pretty good shape if the worst problem you have is "they can't always find space".

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

new complaint, fresh today. My lead was for shit: "Like his music, So-And-So's current tour reflects a can-do, roll-with-the-punches attidute just like his music."
Okay, I cop to shitty not paying attention, but at least TWO other sets of eyes went over my piece before it hit the page. Fuck fuck fuck. I mean, it's my screw-up, but at least ONE of them should have caught it.
Maybe I've come to rely too much on editors, or maybe they've just come to assume (based on my all-around brilliance) that everything I do is perfect and don't bother with my copy when there are other writers who do need more of what one of my eds calls "massaging."
Anyway, boo to all three of us for being lazy.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 17 July 2003 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

B-b-but Horace, you still wrote 'can-do, roll-with the punches' and nobody did anything about that, either ;).

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 17 July 2003 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, but I was being jocular there.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 17 July 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

I'm still embarrassed about calling Wake Up on Fire (local B-more crust-metal band) "firey" in a review. Somehow that one got in.

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Thursday, 17 July 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

That said, Bret McCabe (B-more City Paper) is a really decent editor. But none of youse should write for him because I'm from Baltimore and you're (probably) not. It bothers me when I lose writing jobs to freelancers from other cities, and it's what's kept me from looking for work at alt-weeklies in other cities. Is there any sort of etiquette on this? Does everyone else write for papers in other cities? (I haven't been doing it for very long; this sort of thing is probably common knowledge, but humor me.)

― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Thursday, 17 July 2003 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

I AM NOT MONTEL WILLIAMS!

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 17 July 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

Seriously tho, I think that sucks too. Weeklies, you'd think, would have an imperative to be as local as possible.
I don't know. The worst thing is when they hire an out-of-towner and he/she blows, but is a friend of the ed or something. This happened.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 17 July 2003 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know, Tom, but I was pretty pissed when I briefly worked with my local free weekly (before they went bankrupt) and I said something about how their shitty music column wasn't that great and how I thought it was weird that it never talked about local music, and they said, "Oh, we buy that out of syndication. He lives in like Portland or somewhere," which meant that they were actually PAYING someone to write about boring shit like Grandaddy when I would have done a 200% better job and talked about local music too FOR FREE. I would have brought that up eventually, but like I said, they went bankrupt a couple of months after I started working there.

― NA. (Nick A.), Thursday, 17 July 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

I AM NOT MONTEL WILLIAMS!

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

I'd also like to throw a "Yay" at Keith Harris. That is all.

(apologies in advance, but...)

You mean this guy?

http://www.henderson-management.co.uk/img3.jpg

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:07 (twenty years ago) link

WHO? PETE TOWNSEND??

― joan vich (joan vich), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:11 (twenty years ago) link

What is that?! Needless to say, I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

Speaking of local music...there just isn't enough coverage of fringe local bands in weeklies. One of the reasons I love City Pages, btw!

I'm still not against approaching pubs out of town. We want to write, right? Pardon my corniness there...If you're in town, pitch more stories relating to your area.

― Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

if anything there's too much coverage of "fringe" local bands in free weeklies

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

oh god fuck them, the pricks.


Actually more than editors, fuck you, specifically to whoever the marketing clown who commissions me work is, I cancelled a night out last week to go and collect a fucking shite indie cd which I then listened to for some reason feeling miserable all the while, I then reviewed it and took a good 2 hours trying to not just pan it outright with ott invective, and then this week it's not been used in the fucking rag at all. And every time I propose a story, I think she thinks I am making up the artist or perhaps she's so used to dealing with the knobs that write for the mag that she thinks I'm just desperate to get joe man of the people soulful delights name in print. Yeah obviously there's no press interest in the Rapture or Dizzee Rascal. Of course not, I fucking saw Dizzee down the pub last night playing folk covers.

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.

Christ.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

seriously does anyone else work for a publication where the people commissioning the stories know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about music?

I mean I swear she knows nothing, I'm not kidding, nothing! It's like trying to pitch a story about techno to my fucking grandma.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

You're not accidently proposing stories to the AARP newsletter again are you?

― NA. (Nick A.), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

I don't see it in many. Where else will they receive coverage? It helps build their fan base. It annoys me when every pub runs a review of, say, the new Liz Phair or Steven Malkmus record.

― Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Thursday, 17 July 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

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