We don't really know what they came up with though. We've seen the event but not the aftermath. That's an important part of the context.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link
i don't know if there are things about the alternative storyline that redeem it more in the eyes of critics of the show
Hahahaha no.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
I wonder what could have made the creators of the show think that throwing in some extra rape wouldn't be a big deal
things to think baout
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
it's not extra rape tho even - it's the same quantity of rape, just happening between different characters
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link
feel like ive seen more "why is everyone up in arms about this rape!?" sentiment than actual "up in arms about this rape" sentiment
― max, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link
xxp truth bombs
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link
do you have female friends who watch the show, max?
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link
it bums me out that we can't talk about this show without creating a grand unified theory of rape conservation, which may be enough to stop me watching it all together (I'm already on the "no need to watch it live" bandwagon)
― DJP, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
the washington post piece is v good, rosenberg's tv writing is always on point
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
Keep forgetting Theon killed two children.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:20 (eight years ago) link
only Mordy will get this reference (I suspect) but I kinda wonder if anyone has written a defense of GoT as a feminist text a la similar defense of the comic book Fukitor. Like, if Andrea Dworkin wrote a fantasy epic intended to address gender/sexual politics it would by necessity be chockfull of sexual violence, romance would be shown to be an empty cover story for exploitation and degradation, and it would undoubtedly be really unpleasant, kinda like GoT. Martin's politics do seem to lean left and he has done a fair amount to promote women in the industry etc. but it feels like there's a a disparity between those elements of his personality and the sort of lurid way sexual violence is handled in his material.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link
also in Martin's version all the women are 13 years old
― Clay, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link
those are westeros years. given the length of seasons that makes everyone like 30.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link
I don't even know what a year means in Westeros
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
If the critique was leveled as grrm as well as the show I'd understand it better but the Mary Sue piece seems to be arguing that the show did something wrong that grrm didn't and I don't understand what that is.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
imo a year in westeros is like our normal year the thing theyre talking abt as far as winter is a part of some longer non year cycle, this isnt based on anything i havent read the books but they shd adopt my version its a better way to do the plot
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:34 (eight years ago) link
and if theres one thing i know its what necessary in a plot u shd listen to me producers of wildly successful tv show
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
xps shakey, this might be what yr looking for
Did anyone read Alyssa Rosenberg's piece? I thought it was interesting:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2015/05/19/game-of-thrones-has-always-been-a-show-about-rape/
― polyphonic, Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:02 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:36 (eight years ago) link
imo a year in westeros is like our normal year
marked by, if not the seasons then, ... what? are you telling me they've figured out that their planet orbits a sun? seems unlikely
yes I read the Rosenberg piece, which made me think of the Fukitor thing
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:38 (eight years ago) link
Did Littlefinger bring Jeyne to the Boltons in the book?
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:38 (eight years ago) link
yes
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:39 (eight years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:38 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think they have seasons then they also have longer magical meta seasons i am just making this up but its better
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:40 (eight years ago) link
it's kinda like ice ages and stuff
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:41 (eight years ago) link
so there's like Winter with a capital double-u ice age winter and then regular annual lower-case winters?
that makes sense
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link
thats what i think
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link
In the books, does Littlefinger tell Cersei that Arya and Ramsay are about to be wed? I loved that detail in the show, but it doesn't seem like it would make sense with Arya since she didn't have a part in Joffrey's death.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:43 (eight years ago) link
Like, if Andrea Dworkin wrote a fantasy epic intended to address gender/sexual politics it would by necessity be chockfull of sexual violence, romance would be shown to be an empty cover story for exploitation and degradation, and it would undoubtedly be really unpleasant, kinda like GoT. Martin's politics do seem to lean left and he has done a fair amount to promote women in the industry etc. but it feels like there's a a disparity between those elements of his personality and the sort of lurid way sexual violence is handled in his material.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 20, 2015
been thinking about this post and it is def not meaningful in any large way but still somehow jumps to mind that mzb turned out to be an irl-creep/possible monster
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:47 (eight years ago) link
who is mzb
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
Marion Zimmer Bradley, probably?
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
ah of course
I don't remember there being a bunch of sexual violence in Mists of Avalon (which my gf at the time made me read) but maybe I'm forgetting something
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link
Uh wow, I did not hear about MZB!! Sad because I really liked MOA.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 22:03 (eight years ago) link
i do not do not do not want to make this the mzb horrorshow thread but it's googleable
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
mzb google is legit bummertown usa, like chemical-brain-wash afterwards kind of reading
i was a fan & i still don't know what to do with that
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 23:43 (eight years ago) link
Kinda curious how this particular type of tv audience would respond to Oz. Rape was a major part of that show and I ended up feeling sorry for characters I didn't previously think possible. Peter Schibetta got it really rotten.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 May 2015 00:49 (eight years ago) link
yeah, i want to be sympathetic to people who are bristling about this rape scene but i'm struggling to see how it makes a lot of sense given the nature of this show. it's been established that it's a brutal, violent world and horrific things happen on a regular basis. TV Show Sansa has been rolled together with another character in the books and that character is abused to an even further extent. how would we even know at this point that it's gratuitous being completely unaware of what happens down the line? it wasn't filmed in a questionable manner either, it demonstrated the brutality of the act without doing it in some creepy, sexualized way.
is rape not a thing that should be broached in fiction, art, whatever? is all the other heinous shit that happens in this show OK?
― circa1916, Thursday, 21 May 2015 01:37 (eight years ago) link
I was annoyed with it on a couple of levels, but mostly because the scene seemed to be more "about" Theon/Reek than Sansa. Which really just made the rape seem like a cheap plot device. But we'll see how next week shakes out, I guess?
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2015 01:45 (eight years ago) link
that Mary Sue article was bizarre. Writer claims to be fan of the books, knows about the much worse rape scene that this one is somewhat based on, and yet is so scandalized by the scene that the site is going to stop "promoting" the tv show. Why not give up on the whole series, books and all, after reading GRRM's rape scene? I can only imagine it's because this happened to Sansa, who seemingly was taking back control of her destiny, going goth and all.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 May 2015 01:51 (eight years ago) link
i don't know how to articulate the reaction bcz it's one I share but i am not really into the way it's being interrogated itt
i mean, i know you all like lengthy chin-scratching posts about whys and yes-but-what-if
but it's also kinda removed & feels a bit like "kicking the rape-can around"
i'm not saying don't interrogate, but just know that not everyone is up for dissection of rape in the media or good rape vs bad rape
and i am gonna have to bail until the next episode airs & hopefully yall move on
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 May 2015 02:06 (eight years ago) link
every time i see the new high sparrow my mind goes BRAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZIIILL WHERE HEARTS WERE ENTERTAINING JUNE
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 21 May 2015 04:40 (eight years ago) link
I mostly remember the Lexus commercials
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 21 May 2015 05:32 (eight years ago) link
Infiniti.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, 21 May 2015 06:04 (eight years ago) link
May I request a new thread? This thing crashes whatever browser I try to read it on whenever I try and go back to load an entire week's worth of commentary. Possibly tomorrow or Saturday, so we catch all of this week's talk and then move to the new one for episode 7?
― Hydroelectric New Deal Demiurge (B.L.A.M.), Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:39 (eight years ago) link
use bookmarks
― lag∞n, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link
tbf its not far away from 10,000 - it might be reasonable to do a part 2
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
I get that, but I can't even get to the point where I can want to put a bookmark. This muhufucker is unwieldy!
― Hydroelectric New Deal Demiurge (B.L.A.M.), Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
Yeah it seems a bit mad that we're still on the first thread, considering this is probably the most talked about show on the board and is in its fifth season.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link
At this point we might as well finish the season though.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
surely the Wire has more threads/posts
xxp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
Just cut your losses and bookmark at the current end of this thread!
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link
You're not missing a whole lot imo.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:13 (eight years ago) link