HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

I had it wrong I guess!

The Martells themselves were enraged with the murder of Elia and her children. Oberyn wanted to continue the war and champion the cause of Viserys Targaryen, the only surviving Targaryen prince, but Doran Martell, who had succeeded his mother as ruler of Dorne, knew that they were not strong enough and made his peace.

yeah elia was aerys ii's wife

wait no she was the daughter in law

hard to keep these people we've never actually seen straight sometimes u know

anyways dorne folks mostly just despise the lannisters

reasonable stance to be sure

keeping this shit straight is a goddamn nightmare even on a casual level

you guys are lucky they totes eliminated the kettleblacks and the family with the daughter who got raped and brain damaged during the kings landing riot

it was interesting during the Dany/Tyrion chat than when he was listing the powerful families he did not mention the Martels, who would be the most sympathetic to her right to the throne.

him saying there's a way out is p much telling her "uhhh youre fucked you should probably confess," but saying "the work continues" is qyburn-code for "your zombie guardian is almost ready"

― slothroprhymes, Monday, June 1, 2015 3:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dude you have to please stop doing this in this thread, because even if you're joking you've already established you're an expert on the books or whatever and even winky half-spoilers or winky half-spoiler jokes are a drag

Tbf, the zombie guardian has been shown on the show. More than in the books, iirc.

I wouldn't have considered that a spoiler until both of the last two posts.

Everyone should bear in mind that at this point book readers are speculating roughly as much as TV only people.

in theory

Also I don't think explaining something that is entirely inferrable from the context of what has been shown onscreen is a spoiler.

it's still possible things from the book could happen, presumably. anyway i am not annoyed, i just think i wouldn't have thought twice about sloth's post until it was highlighted.

xpost i agree with you there - it was just like a normal observation about how he appeared, but not anymore!

Also we're talking about a character who hasn't appeared in any other context other than the creation of a zombie Mountain, it was completely obvious that was what was happening in that scene.

Brilliant episode btw.

Yeah it was sick. The production values are just insanely high at this point.

I don't think explaining something that is entirely inferrable from the context of what has been shown onscreen is a spoiler.

I don't know, I don't feel like anything's entirely inferrable at this point, but either way Sloth has made it clear in several posts that he's read the books and has made a few hinty posts previously, so it jumps from "I wonder if my inference will play out the way I think it might" to "well I guess that's happening for sure"

I'm admittedly dim; I'll shut up if everyone's cool with it

It's a very tricky balance to get right in this very unique situation, and book readers should probably err on the side of caution... However, one can definitely be over-sensitive to spoilers, I do sometimes wonder why the extremely spoiler-phobic go on internet threads at all.

See any later Doctor Who thread for examples of what I'm talking about taken to absurdity.

The White Walker/wight children were A+ nightmare fuel. Cold that they killed the mother.

It's like if I had accidentally spoiled say the Red Wedding for myself by reading the internet I'd be a little miffed, but it wouldn't have ruined my life, I'd kind of have myself to blame, and I'm sure I still would have enjoyed watching the episode.

narcissistic xpost

Given that half the internet is talking about it, it's not exactly unreasonable that the spoiler-phobic would gather in a place that specifically says "(NO SPOILERS PLEASE)", in fairness.

Ha, fair point.

NO SPOILERS threads have the same problem as Quiet Cars on trains--someone always thinks what they have to say is so important that rules be damned

if you've read all of the game of thrones books the appropriate behaviour is sheepish contrition, not banging on about it like you're a wise old sage

apologies if ppl were ticked off by that - I thought it was v obvious based on stuff that'd already occurred solely in the show!

and at this point I am almost in the dark as ppl who just watch the show

trust me i have no desire to establish source text cred or ruin anything for anybody; I've kept most really inside baseball stuff to the spoiler thread and sometimes it slips my mind

It was nice to finally see at least one of the potentially world-changing threats mentioned almost every episode actually do something.

loved this shot

http://static3.uk.businessinsider.com/image/556c655bdd089549098b45c5-1200-750/four%20horsemen.jpg

it was fine. ffs we know cersei gave him the mountain and there is a huge body on a slab occasionally moving shock scare comedy style and qyburn's done everything but lift it into the storm to be animated by lightning.

it's the fact we're discussing it that hints at a spoiler at all.

sure, they could have put that stuff on the screen for no reason at all

not what i meant - i don't think anyway, to be honest i didn't follow your post.

Anyway, fine, I'm OK with being hyper-spoiler-sensitive.

Yeah, the white walker kids were where it went from "wow, this is a little Ray Harryhausen, a little Army of Darkness..." to JESUS CHRIST THAT IS TERRIFYING

it was funny how long they took to attack - like kind of indulgent but they got away with it. a bit like the boat moving at snail's pace.

I think them waiting for a very specific time to attack is sort of the point - the night's king knows he has a massive and obvious advantage so there's an arrogant show of force vibe to it. the walkers are showy, I mean they slaughter people and then arrange the corpses to form giant occult symbols early in season 3 (the second time we see mance rayder in the series)

the moment at the end is also arrogant as fuck. "oh word, so one of you has one sword that can kill us? that's cute. now this is happening." *turns all the ppl his wights just killed into more wights*

ah i specifically meant the little kids - like they stood for ages looking at her, very slow compared to the frenzy of those happy little skeletons.

ohhh. word my bad. i could easily wrong but i thought those were somehow children she knew (not hers, they get on the boat afaict) like maybe another wildling family - if only bc the show has previously portrayed the wights seeking out familiar people and settings as targets, like the wight that attacks lord mormont - and maybe that was the reason for that sadistic pause

*could easily BE wrong, jeez

did the books have a few pages about the undigested food that could be seen through the ribs of that little boy zombie?

Lemon cake that could be seen through his boiled leather clothing

lol

Wait, that's Valyrian boiled leather

That scene with the four horsemen posted above reminded me of a famous painting or sculpture (picasso or dali?) that features a rough, skinny / angular looking horse. Seems like it's a sculpture in my mind but I thought about it during the scene and now again seeing the screenshot. Anybody know what i'm referring to?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Donquixote.JPG
picasso quixote?
http://www.theequinest.com/images/dali-horse.jpg
dali's temptation of st anthony?

i was thinking of the Picasso but in my mind it was an actual metal sculpture. Thanks for the image/connection.

http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2015/quint/frazettadeathdealer2_big.jpg

ohhh. word my bad. i could easily wrong but i thought those were somehow children she knew (not hers, they get on the boat afaict) like maybe another wildling family - if only bc the show has previously portrayed the wights seeking out familiar people and settings as targets, like the wight that attacks lord mormont - and maybe that was the reason for that sadistic pause

― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 9:34 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OK I'm seeing a lot of people read into this scene. Two main things are happening imo:

1) Horror movie trope of creepy children standing creepily for no real reason

2) They obviously worked quickly to establish that the wildling woman (Karsi) cares about the future of her children and the wildling children in general.

A) Jon mentions that their children will not have children of their own unless they join the south and this finally sways her.

B) She is specifically shown to be a mother (reinforces why she was convinced in the meeting) that cares deeply for the well being of her children.

After fighting very hard, the sudden sight of children as wights (in general) knocks the wind out of her because of the horrible future it represents for her own children and wildling children overall, and she is too emotionally broken to recover and perhaps even unable to bring herself to swing a blade at them. I don't think there's any reason to assume those particular children wights had any significance to her beyond that.