the worm turns
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link
hah! ian cohen gotta be piiiiiiiiiiiiiiissed right now
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link
don't bite the hand that feeds Mark! lol
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
Even setting all that aside, if Mark Kozelek had spent the last year and a half playing his music and—to reference a lesson he supposedly learned from his father in Benji's "I Love My Dad"—minding his own business, Universal Themes would still be a disappointing record.
In what sense has he not been minding his own business? zing rejected.
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link
"Cry Me a River Williamsburg Sleeve Tattoo Blues" is a funny title in search of a song, while "This Is My First Day and I'm Indian and I Work at a Gas Station" is an unfunny title in search of a delete key.
this one, however
― Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link
haha!
― irl friend of the geir (NickB), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link
Pretty much agree with the review but portraying the majority of his other albums as "spotty" (as if it were the consensus) seemed undeserved!
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
So, I guess we should be listening to that new Jason Derulo album instead?
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
One of the songs is even described as being "breezy and Balearic".
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/399eqn/pitchfork_changes_sun_kil_moon_review_after/
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link
man ppl really offended by something pitchfork has done multiple times
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
p4k is everything if i cannot trust them I am lost :'(
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
also the comps of like, "kanye's an asshole why dont they hate him too om gosh" are hysterical
like...folks...maybe the music's just really bad /and/ he's a complete twathammer
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 18:03 (eight years ago) link
People also not really grasping the point in the review where he mentions that it's tough to separate the social media incidents from the music. Failing to conflate those things would be an issue if they weren't, you know, literally addressed in the lyrics of multiple songs. That's like saying "judge the blogger separate from the personal blog posts!"
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
Actually I misread a little, they were more commenting on how the opinion of the record is skewed based on what social media is saying about HIM, but it's still much more relevant than perhaps otherwise since the record is so personal.
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 18:19 (eight years ago) link
p sure the opinion of the record is skewed by Mark personally insulting a Pfork staff member in public
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link
altho iirc I believe Xgau still gave Take No Prisoners a good review after Reed called him a toefucker (Reed's onstage standup comedy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kozelek's, obviously)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 18:28 (eight years ago) link
well, Xgau gave it a C+, maybe that's the equivalent here idk
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
http://www.spin.com/2015/06/mark-kozelek-feminist-guilt-sun-kil-moon/
― Evan, Thursday, 11 June 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
would be kinda like giving up church for Lent with this new one
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 11 June 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
really misleading to include skolnik in that tweet roundup - while she said people should stop making "excuses" for kozelek, she made clear she was arguing for people to ACKNOWLEDGE kozelek's actions while subjectively deciding how they feel about and engage with the art and artist, not calling for a boycott.
― da croupier, Thursday, 11 June 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
it's really frustrating when people are determined to keep things at "how bad does a person have to be before we remove them from the history of pop culture" and refuse to acknowledge perspectives that aren't coming from a such a faux-objective puritan place. "i'm not going to stop listening to kozelek because there are worse things in the world than a bully" - like, cool! but don't pretend that's what everyone's asking you to do
― da croupier, Thursday, 11 June 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link
Well to be fair she did frame it as more of her debating with herself whether she should feel guilty for not also boycotting Kozelek music. Not that anyone is necessarily putting direct pressure on her or other fans to do so as well.
― Evan, Thursday, 11 June 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link
most perplexing thing to me is that she didn't enjoy Big Sur, how is that possible
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 June 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link
xpost still sucks to ignore someone's larger point to establish a peanut gallery of people saying it's bad to like red house painters
― da croupier, Thursday, 11 June 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link
also you can't say something like this is merely self-debate and not a defense against pressure
Contemporary female writers have also denounced the man and declared an end to their fandom. But I’ve hesitated to pick up my own torch simply because I’m not ready. I’m too busy avoiding eye contact with the men I perceive to be a more real, immediate threat.
― da croupier, Thursday, 11 June 2015 17:23 (eight years ago) link
"His music still means a lot to me" is one thing, "I guess you all don't have to worry about being assaulted!" is another.
― da croupier, Thursday, 11 June 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link
How can the same person who writes such heart-in-hand poetry as “Have you forgotten how to love yourself?” and “If love is like stone / Yours was mine through to my bones” be capable of spewing such despicable vitriol about women?
lol
― there was a lot of beer and people doing sit ups, (laughs) (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 11 June 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link
haha yeah I was scratching my head at considering those "romantic" sentiments
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 June 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
like, both lines are kind of accusatory
or resentful
guess I should sell this now
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 14 June 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
Can I buy it for not that much?
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 00:49 (eight years ago) link
sorry. tbh I could never sell it for that much because it truly is not worth that much. So I'll probably just keep it.
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 15 June 2015 01:54 (eight years ago) link
No worries. I imagine I'll nab one somehow someday.
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 03:34 (eight years ago) link
hey I also have that
― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Monday, 15 June 2015 05:54 (eight years ago) link
well good for YOU
― Evan, Monday, 15 June 2015 13:43 (eight years ago) link
haha
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 15 June 2015 13:54 (eight years ago) link
the vinyl is worth something, all the RHP or SKM records on vinyl are ridiculously priced.
― akm, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link
4AD is reissuing the RHP stuff I thought. Think I heard that Songs for a Blue Guitar pressing is bad at one point?
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:08 (eight years ago) link
yeah the RHP stuff has been (box set sold out immediately); songs has been issued on vinyl, didn't buy it. The only stuff I have is the original Ocean Beach 10" and the Duk Koo Kim single (which is a better version than the one on the SKM album).
― akm, Monday, 15 June 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
there was that box set, but you can pre-order those albums separately or as a bundle here
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:22 (eight years ago) link
actually the 'bundle' is not available, but it looks like they are taking individual pre-orders
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:24 (eight years ago) link
nah, actually you can order the bundle too. it's different from the box in that the vinyl is black or something. looks like they ship in August.
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 15 June 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link
I've never really listened to Down Colorful Hill until this week (wondering if I need to get any of these reissues), and this line from Scott's review is just too otm
12 years ago Mark Kozelek was duking it out with Throwing Muses and Lisa Germano to see who could be the most miserable American act ever signed to the tears ‘n’ fears 4AD label. The lead track on RHP’s debut was all about the impossible task of becoming 24 years old. If Sun Kil Moon is essentially grown-up folk-rock music for ex-miserablists and lacks a certain unhinged recklessness that RHP had at times it’s none the worse for it.
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:50 (eight years ago) link
I do like Throwing Muses and love Lisa Germano, however.
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link
xp review of Ghosts of the Great Highway, that is
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
"miserable" seems like a wildly offtm adjective to describe Throwing Muses tbh
― there was a lot of beer and people doing sit ups, (laughs) (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link
yeah, true
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 June 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
I'd say Down Colorful Hill sounds like Lisa Germano singing worse lyrics over slow Throwing Muses guitar, though
― mad maxwell's wasteland death suite (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 18 June 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link