Rolling 2015 Thread on Race

damn, beat to the punch

do americans not realize how inadvertently amusing 'africana studies' is, even before they give tenure to german farmgirls

watch it

No no lets find out what he means

entire departments devoted solely to this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyLQqHkf76Q

the whole thing is very confusing but if i understand correctly she claims she was abused by her parents and she had a number of [adopted/foster?] siblings that were black so i wouldn't be shocked if she identified w/ her siblings during a time of trauma who maybe suffered through the same abuse she did, including a [misconceived] association with their race (and maybe even as a survival mechanism - that she was also adopted/fostered). if so it would be sad but a little understandable. she clearly is a troubled woman either way.

i don't think it's that clear

that dress pic is priceless. it's like joanna newsom turning into coco rosie.

https://twitter.com/joshywinty/status/609179629992030208

maybe she's troubled? maybe she's a liar. could be both! are all serial liars "troubled"?

i feel this way whenever someone who claimed to be a vet gets outed as a fake. or when plagiarizers or other resume-padders get found out. so many systems and structures have an underlying basis in trust. liars can go pretty far! for a while.

i read that her adopted brother lived with her and she pretended that he was her son! i read a lot about this today.

No no lets find out what he means

― supreme problematics (D-40), Friday, 12 June 2015 17:15 (6 minutes ago)

that outside of america that phrase is more likely to remind people of something antithetical to what is intended and that the plains germans who left to the upper midwest would have been cape colonists a few generations earlier

this story is essentially unintelligible outside of american culture mores, so to answer onimo's unanswerable questions read more about america

i'm seeing some tweets about how she faked some abusive & threatening emails; does anyone have a link about that?

africana and afrikaner are two different words fyi

xp

ohhh the non-rhotic "afrikaner"

xp lol

wait why are are you guys talking about joanna newsom, what did she do now

still back on the picture mookie posted

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/12/413882989/race-of-spokanes-naacp-leader-becomes-subject-of-controversy

Dolezal has become a prominent civil rights leader in the area. She initially came under scrutiny by KXLY-TV after a postal inspector concluded that hate mail left in the local NAACP's P.O. Box was never processed by the postal system.

The postal inspector said that the hate mail had to have been placed in the box by someone with a key. Dolezal had a key, but she dismissed accusations that she had placed the mail in the box herself.

xxxxp

she also reported a swastika on a door to some building but the security camera outside the door had been suspiciously turned off before she discovered the swastika. and people were suspicious of her claim...

lotsa suspicion all around...

refer to 'likely to remind', refer to all my previous comments re shakey's capabilities

she also claimed that the kkk and the "aryan nations" were after her in idaho. that could be true though. there isn't a lot to do in idaho.

They don't take kindly to white folks round there.

http://www.krem.com/media/cinematic/video/71105320/rachel-dolezal-says-she-doesnt-acknowledge-her-biological-parents/

i feel this way whenever someone who claimed to be a vet gets outed as a fake. or when plagiarizers or other resume-padders get found out. so many systems and structures have an underlying basis in trust. liars can go pretty far! for a while.

― goole, Friday, 12 June 2015 17:27 (13 minutes ago)

there's quite a lot of these stories, imposters who are described as being so ridiculous, absurd, nobody could believe them etc: chesterton's essay on the 19th c 'captain of kopenick' is worth reading because it takes the focus away from the imposter (who might have many reasons) to something like structure (slightly old fashioned ideas about prussian militarism in that case)

this really is a confused Tumblr come to life

https://twitter.com/metroadlib/status/609292107086495745

Forget think pieces there are gonna be masters theses and whole studies

Possibly a movie

david fincher might be interested...hmmmm, i'll have to think about the best director for this...

Steve Miner obviously

if he did it in friday the 13th style i would be all for that.

least believable kimmy schmidt backstory yet

@NickPinkerton
Sorry to report that William Forsythe screaming "God, I wish I was black" in Schrader's Patty Hearst is nowhere to be found online.

http://i.imgur.com/Ii3knHM.png

also, onimo, maybe this will help answer some of yr questions: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/06/rachel_dolezal_claims_to_be_black_the_naacp_official_was_part_of_the_african.html

In her favor are key parts of her life. Dolezal has identified as black for almost 10 years. She’s been heavily involved in the local black community, and a leader on issues important to black people. She has no apparent black ancestry—a real difference from blacks who pass—but she’s adopted a kind of black culture almost wholesale. If Walter Francis White is black, and Mordecai Wyatt Johnson is black, then why can’t Rachel Dolezal be black, even if her connections were manufactured?

Then again, her story involves lies and misrepresentations. She passed off a darker-skinned stranger as her father, and an adopted sibling as her son. There’s a chance she faked a hate crime against her, and she falsely claimed she was born in a tepee with a family that hunted for its food. She says she’s black, but we don’t know if she’s always black. Is she black when she’s purchasing a home? Talking to the police? Or is she black only when vying for a role where lived experience would help her odds?

otm

not really on my money

why can’t Rachel Dolezal be black, even if her connections were manufactured?

The piece is predicated on the unqualified assertion that race is distinct from ethnicity and while this is in some ways arguable he does a pretty poor job unpacking the ways in which they often bleed into one another. As a result the thing reads as confused as Dolezal herself.

claimed she was born in a tepee with a family that hunted for its food.

it's pretty amazing how various and non-binary skin tone really is.

i have one black friend irl total (my excuse is that i'm a shut-in in a 90% white state) and he's always so adamant to me that race is a construct. my instinct at first was to insist that it's a real construct that affects him but at some point i realized i didn't need to do that, it probably does affect him, but if it doesn't actually affect his experience or worldview that much isn't that a good thing and isn't it better to talk about cats or the weird art he makes anyway?

tnc said something on twitter about how even if the racial hierarchy in the u.s. were exploded we'd find another structure just as 'rooted' in 'reality' and just as hierarchical to replace it, which seems to bear out in other parts of the world. way too many of our categorically perceiving and desiring asses out there for our own good or the good of anything else on the planet.

But it does seem like some societies are more oppressive than others? And it's possible to decrease oppression in the aggregate? I hope.

http://jezebel.com/rachel-dolezal-definitely-nailed-the-hair-ill-give-her-1710899988

she also claimed that the kkk and the "aryan nations" were after her in idaho. that could be true though. there isn't a lot to do in idaho.

Metro Spokane often counts Coeur d'Alene Idaho (30 miles east) and its suburbs, one of which is where the major Aryan Nations headquarters was until 2001.

A white supremacist who ran for sheriff is attempting to start up a new one a bit north of there, right near where Ruby Ridge happened, and the gun-nut separatist Citadel is a bit south. There was also a bombing attempt at the MLK parade in Spokane a couple years ago. So none of this is really that far-fetched, there are a lot of racist crazies still around this part of the county.

most of those guys pretending to be aryan imo

Lotta James Frey type defenses on the net.

but the pathological lying is the bit that's problematic in that she not only claims oppression by falsely opting into a culture that's not her own, but outright invented two specific scenarios where she was personally targeted. Even ignoring the damage a fabricated claim can do to the community, it suggests that she is receiving some sort of theatrical gratification out of this, which is pretty gross.

Especially since she can opt out of it any time she wants.

http://i.imgur.com/7oTIdey.png

Omfg

Quit while yr behind sweetie

http://alimichael.org/blog/rachel-dolezal-syndrome/