HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

Though I still lick your sweet words off the screen here

I kind of hate fantasy novels that have fully worked out 'systems' of magic. It's stupid and spark-smothering. If I want magic rules I'll play d&d (nb no dis intended to the game -- I play d&d regularly)

mel is a controversial character and going into her POV is a big deal. the show hasn't, possibly can't, accomplish what that one chapter does so while book ppl and show ppl are basically at a similar point in that narrative, book ppl have a just slightly more advanced understanding of a couple characters and plot points.

eh sorry if that is still too much book talk for this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCqjR1gHyIQ

^both agree and lol at btw

Nah, I don't mean I need it all (er) spelled out for me. It's just that it makes the decisions the characters make confusing, and therefore our (my) enjoyment of the show erratic. So Red Witch has to be convincing enough that she can get Stannis to sacrifice his daughter, and at least in the show she's been at least as successful as, I dunno, God was in convincing Abraham. But then nothing (good) happens. And yet, she did give birth to a smoke demon earlier, which is nothing to sniff at. And then Cersei's man on the dark side, apparently he has the power to reanimate corpses. That's fine, but is that magic? Magic seems to be returning, sure, but has he (and red witch) just been hanging, waiting for their powers to manifest? Or have they always been a little magic but are now much more magic?

I dunno, if I went way back I bet I complained (probably) about this really early on. But it's one thing to exist in a world where dragons and zombies are rumors, or myth or history. But when dozens, or hundreds of people have now seen (or been eaten by) dragons or zombies, you'd think it'd be a lot easier to get more people on Team Magic. Again, don't need it to be black and white, but so many decisions in this show hinge on that distinction - magic y/n? - that it would be welcome as a viewer to get some better idea what's going on.

Another way one (I) can put it is: if anything can happen and there are no rules, then it is hard to invest anything that happens in this show with much meaning. For me, at least. Anything done can be undone. Anything dead can be brought back. And so on. It just doesn't built, as far as narratives go, to aim for a conclusion so much as just spin in perpetual motion. Which is cool, I guess, but given Martin has basically said it's all going somewhere specific, it'd be nice to see it start coalescing with some sense of logic. Again, just as a viewer, this viewer.

Doesn't seem built, sorry.

Hey, where are the other two dragons?

They're shut up in a cave somewhere, Dany occasionally fed some pompous noblemen to them earlier in the season.

So did she leave care instructions? Like, two scoops kibbles, one sheep, twice a day? Clean the litter box, etc? I'm worried about her dragons.

(See also: Direwolves)

Despite the source, this is a reasonable critique:

http://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/39ym6b/s5e10_this_show_has_changed_from_good_guys_will/

Or have they always been a little magic but are now much more magic?

i recall that in one of the places daenerys visited while she was wandering around there were dudes who it seemed had consistently been using magic as little more than an annoying parlor trick, but were now onto more serious stuff

I can't quite get my head around the face-swapping thing re Arya. MAGICS.

Wonder if Jaime goes ham upon Myrcella's death and declares war on Dorne, whether he'll have to flee KL upon arriving back there or stay to try and help Cersei, maybe organise a counter-coup against the faith? Hopefully he becomes interesting/evil again.

I want to know how old those MIA Stark boys are going to look by the time season 6 hits.

They'll have to use the magic of CGI to brush off their 5 o'clock shadows.

this show is good and im happy its punishing you all who richly deserve it

Question for Jaime is who is in control of the boat and where are they going to go now?

Yeah given the circumstances they're not going to let him just fuck off with their child prince.

wonder if that lady is gonna kill the dorne king next, i mean shes gonna be in a lot of trouble once he finds out right

I'm guessing they will punish her by raping her a lot. Then Jaime will save her from more rape, to illustrate how much he's grown.

wow so cynical what happened to you man

nagl frederik B

Can't wait to deliver a giant TOLD YOU SO in a year or so.

Basically, the plot is complete nonsense. So absolutely anything can happen. And when Benioff & Wise are left to their own devices, odds are think up something that involves the sexual degradation of women. I've seen the show, folks.

Although I did like the one guy who shouted a very audible 'FUCK OFF' during Cersei's walk of shame.

Do the Lannisters have literally no control over the populace of Kings Landing now? I'm still confused as to how all that stuff managed to happen without the king's guard rushing in and doing something about it, especially when during Joffrey's reign, no one would have stepped out of line at all.

wonder if that lady is gonna kill the dorne king next, i mean shes gonna be in a lot of trouble once he finds out right

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at first i was like "whuh" because i thought she was drinking her own poison to commit suicide when i watched originally but totally forgot about that whole antidote business lol

Frederik, why are you watching this since it's obviously annoying you?

xpost yeah i didnt catch that either oops

Frederik B can you not

yeah i thought she was killing herself too which wldve been p cool but then she just took the antidote and walked away all smug smh

Do the Lannisters have literally no control over the populace of Kings Landing now? I'm still confused as to how all that stuff managed to happen without the king's guard rushing in and doing something about it, during Joffrey's reign, no one would have stepped out of line at al

There was a scene in S2 maybe when Joffrey and Sansa got stuck in the middle of King's Landing and the population went mental at them, the Hound and Tyrion had to bundle Sansa out of there. So I think they've always been basically hated by the proles.

Also Cersei built the religious fanatics up in the first place order to compensate for a general lack of allies/muscle elsewhere, so maybe the King's Guard isn't what it used to be.

But they've got a resurrected killing machine now so she should be able to regain that iron fist pretty easily.

King's Guard is just like 7 dudes isn't it

well 6 now post-Ser Merren

one of them is a big frankenstein tho

x-posts: I'm invested in the show because I'm invested in the books. I like the world and I want to know where the story is going. In a year, the show will be spoiling everything that is happening in the story, and it will do so incompetently, and with extra added misogony. Yay.

In that way, this isn't like all other tv-shows, which I just don't watch when they go bad.

u love it u love it so much u almost cant stand it

oh Fred just admit it

more info than you needed: http://time.com/3921066/cersei-game-of-thrones-history/

x-posts: And I'm sorry, I'll leave you to it, but I can't take all the speculation over the nonsense in Dorne and Winterfell seriously. Trying to figure out motive and what will happen next. Well, the showrunners aren't competent enough to have thought it through! It's like watching people watching a monkey throw paint on a canvas, and discussing who it's supposed to look like.

if even DJP didn't get my joek I am going to cry

i got it & i loled :)

*whew*

was it an annoying joke

been caught stealing an annoying joke once

Can we talk about how disturbingly exhilarating it was to see Arya kill Meryn Trant?

^^^

I did appreciate how they added the reminder of how bad he was first. Because without those extra two minutes of the known child raper beating little girls with a stick I would have been all, jeez, Arya, chill out a little with the eye-gouging.