ok yea that makes sense to me xp outic
― marcos, Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link
Basically fuck anyone solipsistic enough to value their right to own guns over everyone else's right to walk down the street/to school/into a fucking place of worship without fear for their lives.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link
#BREAKING: Law enforcement source tells News19 Charleston church shooting suspect arrested in Shelby, NC
― We'd like to conduct a wobulator test here (Sanpaku), Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, that's upthread, Alfred.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link
(Yes, two more failures/losers, so much for white supremacy.
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link
like all the "gun control" organizations that I'm familiar with all go out of their way to argue for limited goals - restrictions on sales, on where guns are legal to be carried etc. - but I think this is the wrong approach. Set higher goals, push the debate to be between two genuine poles rather than concede that there is some reason for an inalienable right to gun ownership. Don't concede shit! Specifically call out the NRA as the enemy and argue against their reason for being. Yes this is divisive - but *this is how the NRA won*. Conservatives are great at co-opting liberal tactics, here's a case where we should copy theirs.
xxp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link
Someone on my FB wall pointed out that the flag patches on Roof's jacket are of South Africa and what was formerly known as Rhodesia.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:22 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
you could read the thread, alfred
― 龜, Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link
As has been pointed out to me already.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
Potus addresses incident @ 11:45 https://www.whitehouse.gov/live
― rip van wanko, Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link
jamelle bouie: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/06/emanuel_ame_church_has_long_history_of_resistance_to_racism_the_charleston.html
― 龜, Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link
Charles Pierce:
What happened in a Charleston church on Wednesday night is a lot of things, but one thing it's not is "unspeakable." We should speak of it often. We should speak of it loudly. We should speak of it as terrorism, which is what it was. We should speak of it as racial violence, which is what it was.
We should speak of it as an attack on history, which it was. This was the church founded by Denmark Vesey, who planned a slave revolt in 1822. Vesey was convicted in a secret trial in which many of the witnesses testified after being tortured. After they hung him, a mob burned down the church he built. His sons rebuilt it. On Wednesday night, someone turned it into a slaughter pen.
We should speak of it as an assault on the idea of a political commonwealth, which is what it was. And we should speak of it as one more example of all of these, another link in a bloody chain of events that reaches all the way back to African wharves and Southern docks. It is not an isolated incident, not if you consider history as something alive that can live and breathe and bleed. We should speak of all these things. What happened in that church was a lot of things, but unspeakable is not one of them.
Not to think about these things is to betray the dead. Not to speak of these things is to dishonor them. Let Nikki Haley, the governor of South Carolina, look out her window at the flag of treason that is flown proudly at her state capitol and think about these things, and speak of them, before she pronounces herself so puzzled at how something like this could happen in South Carolina, the home office of American sedition.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link
this whole thing is so disgusting
but yeah with shakey on repealing the 2nd amendment
obviously we'll never fully be able to control internal white terrorism like this but not having the country flooded w/guns would be a start to mitigating its impact
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 June 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link
I really hope they bring this asshole in a live and don't give him the pleasure of offing himself.
Never seemed the type for that tbh.
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link
Yup ban guns. Repeal the 2nd amendment. We've never tried it. Let's try it.
I have gone from generally anti-gun to moderate "live and let live" re guns in my lifetime (raised by hunters/gun nuts) but in the past ten years or so I've become pretty radically anti guns. Nobody needs them. You don't need them. They are dangerous. Just stop.
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link
Take a look at this inbred moron btw
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1187A/production/_83720817_ec72579e-1b75-424c-961b-b0adf3d52a62.jpg
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link
p much.
the idea that a "well armed populace" could actually resist the US military also a total fantasy/fallacy at this point
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link
Potus addresses incident @ 11:45 https://www.whitehouse.gov/live― rip van wanko, Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:34 AM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― rip van wanko, Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:34 AM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Man, every time someone posts a link to the president addressing something, I find myself sitting here half an hour later with one earbud in and nothing playing in it.
― how's life, Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
The Southern Poverty Law Center has a page of civil rights martyrs: http://www.splcenter.org/civil-rights-memorial/civil-rights-martyrs.
It lists 41 people killed from 1955 to 1968. So the death toll last night is equal to almost a quarter of all people killed during the civil rights movement.
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
POTUS feed finally showing some activity.
― example (crüt), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
Oh, we've finally gotten to the pre-president paper shuffling and throat clearing portion of the broadcast.
― how's life, Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
Obama must be tired of doing this by now
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
joe biden looking like grumpy cat
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
Remarkable tidbit: The suspect apparently sat in the pews at the Emanuel AME bible study for an hour before opening fire.
― We'd like to conduct a wobulator test here (Sanpaku), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
holy shit – Biden's falling apart
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link
POTUS has been reading the thread, at least.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
Wow. Obama sounds impressive, tired, and sad.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
Is this streaming?
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
Yes. Just ended.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
reassuring to hear impatient, loveless reference to the american people hesitant to start thinking about gun violence
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link
A little facile, perhaps, but the White House twitter is interesting as regards the points it takes from the speech: https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
his gun violence statement was pretty pointed. "this doesn't happen in other developed countries." xxp yes
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
usually when american people hesitant to start thinking about gun violence start thinking about gun violence their first thought is "man, I need more guns"
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
Right? "If the pastor was armed, this wouldn't have happened."
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
xp to myself IE nothing about the racism angles - he said he was constrained by due process, could this be a matter where how the shooter did what he did (IE shoot) is less bound than why?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
Which of course overlooks what we do to black men who carry guns, or things that look like guns, like wallets or cell phones or nothing.
― from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
sorry, more bound.
his gun violence statement was pretty pointed. "this doesn't happen in other developed countries." xxp yes― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, June 18, 2015 12:31 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
advanced countries.
― how's life, Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link
I've already seen that comment a couple times.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link
Jesus packed a 12-gauge
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link
I think they're going to replay the POTUS address on this stream soon.
― We'd like to conduct a wobulator test here (Sanpaku), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
There's a link on the twitter now.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
― how's life, Thursday, June 18, 2015 10:34 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oops, ty
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
Yup, we've hit point in any horrific media event when the on-air assholes can now safely target the president instead of trying to just kill time.
Puns not intended, probably.
― Purves Grundy (kingfish), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
I'm not going to post a youtube of a satirical comedy show on this thread but google "gungregation" to see what Chris Morris was up to in 1997.
― The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hsgif90ivw
― We'd like to conduct a wobulator test here (Sanpaku), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
mythology of guns in america is so juvenile
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
I hope there's no editing or politicizing there by the clip uploader, Michael Savage - I only caught the title.
― We'd like to conduct a wobulator test here (Sanpaku), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link
Obama was utterly mealymouthed on guns in his campaigns. His words do not interest me.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
yes we know
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 18 June 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link