Best Album in Factmag.com top 40 Post-Metal albums?

whiney's right obv, this list is execrable

I don't get why Aenima is the de facto Tool album for most people; IMO Undertow and Lateralus are both better

the first one they bought?

haha it has nothing whatsoever to do with nu-metal. the complete opposite of it

Not at all, both are heads of the same dragon. Both offshoots of hardcore, popularized around the same time, seeking to succeed/replace/improve upon 'regular' metal. Both focused on personal angsty lyrics - obviously, nu-metal from the juvenile, hook-driven angle and post-metal from the more artistic/serious angle, but the parallels are striking.

no way plus nu-metal had nothing to do with hardcore. Korn had never heard any hardcore in their lives.

Siegbran you argue a good point but I think you're way off the mark. Just because both sub-genres aren't "true" metal doesn't mean they're related, both were very independant of each other. The growth of post-metal came almost directly after nu-metal's heydey, though from personal experience I noticed it mostly because I grew up from Limp Bizkit and all that shit to Isis and Tool pretty rapidly. Though I suppose both types of music can be traced back to a source that doesn't really want the "blame" for what came after (Faith No More=nu-metal/Neurosis=post-metal).

Australasia by Pelican is one of the best instrumetal records ever, by the by. Still great. Better than the EP by far.

Though one of the many curious picks in the list is the Sumac album which is really fine but is just a few months old and can't really be considered the best of anything since it hasn't had a chance to "settle" yet

(am I making sense with any of this? It's friday night so I'm sort of drunk and shouldn't even be typing this crap)

this is a really weird list, no vote

haha it has nothing whatsoever to do with nu-metal. the complete opposite of it

idk they're both pretty groovy

Picked one album at random because I have a feeling that's how the list was made.

While this post-metal thing ran a lot longer than nu-metal, it was pretty simultaneous to me - the #1 on the list is from 1996, a year before the Limp Bizkit debut and the same year as the breakthrough second Korn album.

Anyway, this list isn't so random at all, if you make a chart in RYM from its genres "alternative metal" and "sludge metal" and set the cutoff date at 1996, you pretty much get this list.

tool was what the serious kids were into when i was listening to disturbed

Oh and nu-metal not a hardcore offshoot? All these bands on the Warped tour circa 97, Korn and Limp Bizkit joint touring with Helmet, dozens of bands dressed like the Misfits, play like a cross between Biohazard, RATM, Sick Of It All and Faith No More...I mean if it looks like a duck...

"Both offshoots of hardcore, popularized around the same time, seeking to succeed/replace/improve upon 'regular' metal. Both focused on personal angsty lyrics - obviously, nu-metal from the juvenile, hook-driven angle and post-metal from the more artistic/serious angle, but the parallels are striking."

This is the laziest most asinine correlation. Half the bands on this list have squat to do with hardcore and quite a few don't even have lyrics angsty or otherwise. It is true that most (although not all) would be defined as metal outsiders which is true for nu-metal too to a certain extent. If that and the era which they started is your evidence of connection it's a pretty flimsy one.

nu metal wasnt even in the least bit metal anyway,It was alt-rock; at least most of the post-metal bands came from the sludge/doom/black metal scenes.

If you want to think of metalcore as part of nu-metal, I can see how post-metal has some roots in it, but its kind of a stretch imo... Neurosis is the line straddler and also kind of the outlier for this sort of stuff. I think of the term as just a handy label for shoegazey/post-rockish metal that 'happened' around the same time.

Very hard to choose, so I just went what I think of as the progenitor of the full gestalt: Pelican - Australasia

I would also say that Tool is completely unrelated and doesn't belong on the list, but oh well.

I wish they had just called nu-metal x-rock or something. And post-metal snoozecore.

they couldnt very well call it rap rock as most of them had no rap in nu-metal.

hah X-Rock is great, better than the genre deserves.

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haha

i love the fact that two other ppl voted for Dazzling Killmen and they are tied for 3rd place.

I'm not unhappy Aenima won though I'm pretty much over Tool at this point (also Lateralus is way better). Choirs of the Eye and the Mare EP are so far beyond anything else on the list in tems of scope and compositional finesse it's ridiculous. Props to whoever voted for the latter.