I'm still not entirely sure who Kim Kardashian is or why people know all about her

Her godfather is OJ Simpson.

weird that plax turned into tuomas + aimless

lol guess i'm the only ilxor who sometimes reads dlisted

I find it interesting that people think being "famous for nothing/famous for being famous" is easy. Kim Kardashian was interviewed onstage recently - I forget when/where - and she said that the reality show, which mostly depicts the partying/attending events/bickering with mom & sisters part of her life is (obviously) edited down to just that because if the camera crew followed her around for an entire day of meetings it would be a very boring show. I mean, we're talking about a woman in her 30s who has actually accomplished quite a bit within the media sphere - she's got at least one book, has acted in I think two or three movies, has a very popular TV show, a successful modeling career while not possessing anything close to a typical model's body...she is a very successful businesswoman, but there's this pernicious idea that she's some kind of vapid puppet who has somehow lucked into a gigantic multimedia empire, solely on the basis of her sex tape. It's pretty fucked up.

weird that plax turned into tuomas + aimless

― mookieproof, Monday, July 6, 2015 7:50 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

<3 u mookie

so weird hur *farts cat lols*

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2015/05/selfish_kim_kardashian_west_s_book_of_selfies_reviewed.html

i rarely think about this person but as shorthand for extreme spectacle she's useful, it seems that's been her goal in fact. oh yeah i hate women. j/k

her hair was black, but then it was blonde

"She does what she likes, and dates who she likes. Armenian do date, but mostly guys that they are going to marry, and don't have sex before marriage,"
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20932705

in many respects she's become a shorthand for vapid and idle decadence in the way that paris hilton was a little earlier, an instance of this very common move on the left and right alike of locating 'everything that's wrong with the world today' in a particularly feminine-coded form of self-definition under consumer society, as if picking on individual women and girls is the way to combat what's wrong with consumer capitalism― Merdeyeux, Monday, 6 July 2015 21:33Bookmark Flag Post

Possibly this is true. I can't say I've ever heard anyone relay this statement. I do think that there are many ways that people talk about what's wrong with consumer capitalism all the time, even in mainstream press, in which they don't mention celebrity culture. I doubt anyone is blaming the privatisation of the nhs on this woman in any print media, but then I am willing to accept I might be completely wrong. I think it's totally valid to be critical of the ways celebrity culture celebrates consumption and wealth as forms of social validation. And the ways that social media intensifies the porousness between everyday life and this spectacle. I think in part saying you have nothing to do with this entrepreneur is partly a rejection that ones eyeballs can be simply assumed as an asset of this particular shell company.

there are loads of celebrities who do what Kim K does -- reality shows, clothing lines, profiting off of fame in general -- for decades and nobody blinks because they had a hit movie or song one time or brief success in sports or modelling or something. i think people are still invested in the whole 'meritocracy' idea of pop culture and that you have to have done something great once or twice before you can do all the stuff she's done and the 'socialite --> sex tape' etc hard she had is not honorable. i guess i get it, but at the same time being OFFENDED at her fame seems to require a large unexamined amount of credulity and reverence for every other goofball who ever wound up famous.

the thing where people who'd never ever say they think that a woman derives her worth from her husband have suddenly become steadfast admirers of Kim K in the last 3 years, that's kinda funny to me, though.

the 'socialite --> sex tape' etc hard she had is not honorable

i meant to say 'arc' instead of 'hard' lol how unfortunate

lotta men itt

thanks for your opinions MEN

lotta men itt

Always makes me laugh when people drop this into threads like some kind of thermonuclear truth bomb, when the use of pseudonyms means that 90 percent of the time I have no idea what the race, gender, or anything else of any given poster is. Just words on a screen, you know?

really enjoyed this explorative discussion - we should have more threads in this format

just words on a screen

I spent a good year or so thinking she was a Star Trek character.

I'm kinda unsure about her beginnings was she well known for playboy first, sex tape first, TV show first?

this thread is the first time i've heard of her - i shun the common man's trough, twitter, instagram, google etc

it's almost like people are animals with a herd mentality.

are they really people or are they "goat people"? that's what i call them.

that sex tape being "news" was very strange as i recall since i had heard of neither of the participants before. it's like they sprang fully formed as celebrities for the purposes of that news cycle.

she was in Paris Hilton's crew initially

then the sex tape, then everything else

I'm still surprised that there was a guy named Ray J. Three (brief) threads about the dude and posts going back to 2001.

he had three top 40 hits before the sex tape, and had been on a few sitcoms. not exactly a superstar but he had been around.

He's also Brandy's little brother.

he was on Moesha!

also he could live reasonably well off of his proceeds from the ongoing sextape sales

Calling women "stupid" when they're famous for being pretty or into fashion etc. is an ancient practice.

When a newspaper columnist calls reality show women "stupid", the intent is to make women who may resemble them feel guilty for being so shallow. There is plenty of feminist literature on the shaming of pop culture, you should know better, ilx. Britney Spears, anyone?

don't tar us all with the same brush. much of this community is made up of dynamic, enlightened individuals.

I don't think anybody in this thread has called her "stupid". I think most people here would agree that she's most likely pretty smart.

And still men speak.

I'm a man, baby! Just try and keep me out of this thread!!

how is this thread real

My favorite thing about her was that Old Navy commercial drama, where Old Navy used a Kim K. lookalike, and then Kim sued them for millions of dollars for doing so, somehow settling out of court. THEN the lookalike started dating Reggie Bush, one of Kim's ex-boyfriends!! WOW!

saying Old Navy used a Kim K. lookalike is kinda unfair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Molinaro

I hadn't seen anyone post about Kim Kardashian on facebook in a while, but this crossed my fb today from a retired relative. It's always the retirees for me. Do you guys experience a similar demographic or are there younger, more fresh-faced Kardashian haters out there as well?

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11053551_10152756807356395_5052940419969469363_n.jpg?oh=89ed73f182aaffc15e947a1e82143c45&oe=5612BF34

the general disdain for KK seems to attach to everyone/thing around her--on my FB there was a lot of grumbling from people that they'd have to be supportive of Caitlyn Jenner even though they hated her and her family so much.

he had three top 40 hits before the sex tape, and had been on a few sitcoms. not exactly a superstar but he had been around.

also sampled on Burial's most well-known track

lol that's amazing xxp

the general disdain for KK seems to attach to everyone/thing around her

also heavy crossover with people who hate Kanye because of his ego, and post idiotic memes like this:

http://i.imgur.com/nExEtbg.jpg

xp: I know, right. It's come down to 50-year olds vs 35 year olds. Wait, just fact-checked that and Aniston is 46.

Aniston is 46.

As indicated by the origins of this thread, it's fairly easy to ignore the extended Kardashian clan if you're not actively exposing yourself to the forms of media that celebrate their existence and you maybe just, like, check out the candy or something while in line at the grocery store. Kim K doesn't exactly enrich my life in any way but I ain't mad at her. PS I am a man.

http://img1.owned.com/media/images/2/0/1/1/20113/apparently_kanye_west_is_trying_to_become_a_comedian_540.jpg

keeping up with the kardashians tends to play on a loop at my gym (seriously does E! have any other shows?) so I've seen quite a bit of the show, but with no sound, so from reading only body language i have determined that Kim is the smart and sensible one.

"I'm still not entirely sure who is james hetfield.."

As far as I can tell the lamest thing she's done is wear fur. I don't know her & don't really want to speculate about her worth as a human being; I know we're supposed to hate rich people but really I don't care. Maybe I'd be actively annoyed by her if I lived in southern California. I'm more inclined to direct my ire at the people who leaked her sex tape.

is it really that much of a leap to believe that the tape was leaked on purpose? esp given that she watched paris hilton turn into a major celebrity exactly the same way, this seems like...not the craziest conspiracy theory.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/x-files/images/f/f6/Trust_No_One_tagline.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070529000016

The sex tape would never have been released unless Kardashian and Ray J both signed contracts and got paid. Everyone whose sex tape is released by a company has signed paperwork and accepted payment. There's a second Pamela Anderson tape, featuring Bret Michaels, which has never been released because neither of them wants it out there.

really? KK sued the company, right? Was that just a ruse?