I've only got one thing to say, Can we be shown weirdos + Mike Love?
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:15 (eight years ago) link
Usually music news these days is super depressing. Like I just read something that makes me want to crawl back in bed.
Also maybe think-piecing things to death has had an effect on discussions. Music/video drops and you've heard it and read an article/headline about it and by the time you get into a ILM thread there's all this meta baggage it's already been discussed to death and Twittered about and everyone has probably read slightly different takes on it and now you are dealing with all of these invisible browser histories that you have no idea of.
This leads sometimes to threads where people are arguing against arguments that don't exist on the threads themselves but on external websites. Which is fine and good but kind of confusing.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
It's a small issue but one thing I've always liked about ILM is if you make a misstep, you don't get an instantaneous beat down from some gatekeeper hard man, more snark or gentle steering in the right direction unlike some more specific forums on or off FB where hair trigger peeps go from zero to apoplectic in one exchange.
― MaresNest, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link
Damn. I'm not sure I've ever had that experience.
But I think ILM has mellowed a bit (aging? music taste isn't so identity defining?), still loads of snark and sarcasm of course.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
still loads of snark and sarcasm of course.
which apparently scared a lot of posters away
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link
I don't see much of that on ILM tbh.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link
There's a lot of snark but very little actual RAGE, which I occasionally see on other boards.
― MaresNest, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
Snark gets boring really quickly though.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link
But, you know, first there was Zing now there is Snark, plus ca change.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
i have tried asking questions periodically, but i think a lot of the conversation that used to keep ilm (specifically) alive was fueled by discovery and people learning about stuff from people who had more expertise.
i think the lack of zero-cost instant universal availability also meant that ppl constantly had to rely on finding productive/attractive ways to convey that expertise to others w/ analogical reasoning, comparisons, descriptions, convincing personal representations, etc. - as an investment in discovery
all that can take place in full view of the actual artifacts, and after the fact rather than before everyone has had a chance to experience them, but there's a kind of natural indolence that comes out when you can just hear something for yourself and nothing much rides on whether you can articulate its significance or quality in anything other than private terms
there's a related dimension too, that opinions are connected to ppl and once the internet is glutted w ppl and their opinions, there's a real disinclination to find out more about anyone via their opinions (like, the difference between being 20 in 1999 and finding out, like, 'omg there's all kinds of super music fans on the internet!!!!' and being in your 30s in 2010 and being like 'ugh, more super music fans on the internet')
― j., Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
scared away, bored away, i don't really care
there#s been some serious bad behaviour occasionally over the years but it's easy to skip it on ILM in particular and god knows u have to have some kind of deterrent for challopians, blowhards and other spoilers of joy
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, July 9, 2015 6:30 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
almost as if it was just an intrinsic part of human communication
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link
Some posters were banned too, right? R@cc00n is the most recent one that comes to mind.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link
at least deems will be pleased bans are back then
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:35 (eight years ago) link
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/plum-juice-glass-realistic-full-drink-cocktail-straw-isolated-white-background-vector-illustration-41601780.jpg
― j., Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link
Well, maybe, it's sometimes pretty forced and some people just don't have the Zing/Snark chops but feel as if they have to join in when they should leave it to the experts.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link
I'm rambling now, I'm going home.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:40 (eight years ago) link
Your mums an expert
― MaresNest, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:40 (eight years ago) link
there used to be better handwringing on ilm too. step it up, you guys!
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link
i think that ACTUAL valuable new posters are coming in and will continue coming in, although it takes a while sometimes to see who's gonna stick around, and which Raccoon Tanuki's are worth trolling back until they go away
― some dude, Thursday, July 9, 2015 12:37 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
as a relatively new poster (started in 2013), it is extremely hard to understand the culture of ilxor, took me a while to understand a few things and i still feel outside the circle at times. you need to invest time, and none of my friends my age really care about discussing music on a message board (they will do it on twitter, facebook, etc).
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:48 (eight years ago) link
OK tom I'm not sure I buy that, quite aside from the fact that you employ the zing/snark register as often (and as well) as any given poster I don't think I agree that it's that dominant around here really, even if I cared about these putative swooning consumptives "scared off" by internet zingers. Maybe I've missed the really vicious stuff tho
― the story of ilm: an ottyssey (wins), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
some of us still wade in and call something that half the music board really likes shit, which always goes well
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Thursday, 9 July 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
im revisiting art bears now because of my subunconscious spitting out that name upthread. this sounds more like art-rock than prog-rock (their 1981 album at least). that's not a bad thing
― The Once-ler, Thursday, 9 July 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
I want art-rock / art-pop thread revivals
― The Once-ler, Thursday, 9 July 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
and i still feel outside the circle at times
i've been here over 10 years, and this feeling never leaves.
there is a cracking 'hello ilm' thread somewhere that used to be pretty snarky, but recently has been a genuinely warm welcome for newcomers.
if only there was a 'sticky' thread option.
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― mark e, Thursday, 9 July 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link
― MaresNest, Thursday, July 9, 2015 1:21 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is absolutely key.
1. There are actually community mores here which people are interested/invested in enforcing, but
2. the enforcement happens in such a (for the internet) civilized way
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 9 July 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
^^^^ in regards to both ilm and ile
One important reason why twitter is better than ilx is that it's a lot easier to have conversations with people other than white dudes. ;)
― The Reverend, Thursday, July 9, 2015 7:29 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is my major problem with ILX (as a white dude), and I don't know how to address it. Gatekeeping for the purpose of a better discussion is without a doubt part of what makes this place what it is but I think that in practice it shades hard into the everyday forms of exclusion all of the overly-white-duded institutions practice. As much as they are blocked or subverted in practice, there are at least known levers for making communities and institutions more inclusive - how can you encourage that to happen in a message board?
― bentelec, Thursday, 9 July 2015 23:55 (eight years ago) link
By paying attention to ppl who aren't white dudes?
― La Lechera, Thursday, 9 July 2015 23:59 (eight years ago) link
As a white dude I'm not feeling 'the everyday forms of exclusion', you'll have the occasional diss on the War on Drugs but heh.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 10 July 2015 01:41 (eight years ago) link
I don't get this topic at all, really.
― austinato (Austin), Friday, 10 July 2015 02:03 (eight years ago) link
yes you do Austin stop lying
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Friday, 10 July 2015 02:08 (eight years ago) link
Never understood the need to post about posting.
― austinato (Austin), Friday, 10 July 2015 02:15 (eight years ago) link
^^^ posting about not posting about posting
― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 July 2015 08:18 (eight years ago) link
I don't think I'm a very nasty poster but I've also never been scared off, it's always kinda mystified me that people might find it super intimidating.
― Tim F, Friday, 10 July 2015 08:28 (eight years ago) link
whenever I recall any of the posters that pushed the 'I know loads of ppl that don't/won't post to ilx when I tell them about it' line I always think yeah I'd avoid your version of ilx too I'd say.
I can't think of too many who pushed this line that weren't v capable of being nasty cunts themselves as and when it suited them. int life funny.
― irl lol (darraghmac), Friday, 10 July 2015 09:40 (eight years ago) link
going meta keeps us groundedwe can admit that a lot of what we say is in hope of winning the coveted zing thread quote archive
and i'm sure there's more to admit behind about our posting styles
― The Once-ler, Friday, 10 July 2015 12:08 (eight years ago) link
― Tim F, Friday, 10 July 2015 08:28 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you're extremely eloquent & assured in your expression of opinion; I have never seen you flustered or backtracking; not all have these gifts and not all lack the self-awareness that would necessitate a cautious approach when understaffed with sage conviction
of course, some of us lack that self-awareness and dash ourselves upon your shores over and over again. expect some petulant words about years & years come EOY time lol
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Friday, 10 July 2015 12:22 (eight years ago) link
Not downplaying the obvious and actual trends discussed itt, but with 44 threads updated in the last 12 hours, "quiet" is a relative term.
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Friday, 10 July 2015 13:23 (eight years ago) link
yeah but they were all updated by me.
― cod latin (dog latin), Friday, 10 July 2015 13:25 (eight years ago) link
ILE (maybe not so much ilm) does not really feel so lacking in non white dude presence to me? But I'm a white dude so my perception may be skewed. Certainly there are tons and and tons of active posters about whose gender and ethnicity I have no idea!
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Friday, 10 July 2015 14:18 (eight years ago) link
I've tended to assume that the majority of posters here are white and male.
Part of me has kind of wanted some sort of demographics survey to see how off my perceptions are.
― MarkoP, Friday, 10 July 2015 14:34 (eight years ago) link
you guys should have been at my store last night. what a show! 4 great acts. at one point, my basement reverberated with the sounds of italian horror movies.
https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11737930_10154068668112137_1580855551284872626_n.jpg?oh=6ced29a89452ba2014adc7a9461526fc&oe=5627D3A6
― scott seward, Friday, 10 July 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link
I must admit I never think of anyones racial or religious make up on here. I have no idea what most people look like.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link
but even I notice ILM is overwhelmingly male unlike 14 years ago
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 14:49 (eight years ago) link
This is how I imagine you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHZZ5bwASU
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 10 July 2015 14:50 (eight years ago) link
couldn't be less like me if you tried.I have short hair (not balding) and i wouldnt be seen dead in that type of tshirt. And idgaf about slayer
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link
Dog Latin has gone in on Years & Years! One for the team, good luck out there pal!
― The Bends by Radiohead (imago), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
more like my ears, my ears amirite
― feargal czukay (NickB), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
i let becoming a best new poster go to my head. gonna settle down now
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link