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those of you still trippin on this need a cold douche in your ass.

― Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

"It's just a bit of fun."

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

uh, I don't think anyone is "still trippin," Sir Chaki.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

http://movementbuilding.org/gallery/archival/amanda/pics/alex-sombrero.jpg

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

can't I get one too, Sir C III?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

the thing is that im a writer, and i get a pretty good living out of it (not great, not really enough to surrive, but more then i should) and i dont give a flying fuck about copyright, in fact i think loving copy right is corrosive.

― anthony, Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

So if we keep this one thread alive (but change the focus from topic to topic), can J0hn continue to post on it, as long as it's just this ONE thread? Come back, John...

Also, I love the idea that the random googlers who come on here ("Kanye I LUV YU I know you been thru hardtimes, me too I would do anything 4 u sexually or even as a frend") hold a copyright on their messages.

Also, I must confess that my first thought when I saw the thread originally was "Man, I hope I posted some funny shit in those threads!"

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

if anything of mine is in these books, delete them forthwith, thanks. I'm not going to react as vehemently as J0hn but this is pretty lame.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

actually it is TOTALLY FUCKING LAME and so is the COMPLETELY IDIOTIC idea that "copy right is corrosive."

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I think this has all been taken care of, Matos.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

565 posts in and it has to be said: this is the least funny Excelsior thread yet.

― briania (briania), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

good thing nobody's still trippin

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Seems like Matos is still trippin.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

we should give him some milk

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Won't someone lock this bitch?

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

RJG, does this mean we ain't getting our copies?

― Homosexual II, Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

There's no reason to lock this thread beyond "The issue has been resolved".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I responded to something written about ten posts ago, not 564, if you'll bother looking.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

T/S: Milk v. Cold Douche

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Lysol Douche Safe as Milk?

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah forget it then.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

the noise idiots strike again

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope not.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

"noise idiots"

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Me and RJG are making our own book anyway.

― Homosexual II, Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

NOISE IDIOTS STRIKE AGAIN:

http://www.artemodus.de/cars/wtc4x.gif

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

THOSE PEOPLE STRIKE AGAIN

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

um, I think you meant this:

http://cgi.bbc.co.uk/lancashire/fun_stuff/2002/08/01/alcohol270.jpg
NOISE IDIOTS STRIKE AGAIN

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

wait, am I supposed to be Adena? I like drinking and drugs and living the fast life!@!@ Or am I supposed to fly a plane into her woman parts?

― People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

think of hip hop. and how kayne west cant use the samples he wants cause of money (or madonna approiting boudins images and having to pay thru the nose) and what if they cant pay.

the thing w. copy right is that it means that people cannot use the work, riff off of it, deconstruct it. it means the author is alive and he can never be killed.

i beleive that information wants to be free, and that may information will be (is this why you never respond to my emails about reviews or features for seattle weekly, matos ? ;) )

as for the book--mark thot that the community of ilx was really impt, that the idea of us together as a collective (both intel. and otherwise) and that he wanted to mark that community, allow for a permanat base for it, not much different then the ilx comp--although he should have asked permission, the ilx comp no one got money for, and lots and lots of people said yeah i want in on that.

i view this thread as a continued breaking down of the ilx community, what was once precious in terms of its strangeness and uniquenss has become common, or does not exist at all anymore. that makes me want to quit more then a couple of comments people made under aliases a couple of years ago.

― anthony, Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

(and while im at, can the moderators fucking step off and quit putting their finger in everything that might someday somewhere be offesnive to someone.)

― anthony, Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Can we all PLEASE forget the book that will not exist now?? It was ONE PERSON who did this, everyone's acting like it was a collective effort by the ILX community to do this, this is all very stupid especially since it won't happen and it will not happen again.

That's all I will say on this from here on out...this is already taking up too much energy.

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Anthony, what have the mods stepped on that we shouldn't have? This book thing hasn't been anything to do with moderation, and I'm not sure what you have in mind.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I share Anthony's views on both copyright and immoderate moderation.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Aside from concerns about privacy or precedent/legalities/etc. (which have been done) can Matos or JD (if he comes back) or anyone who's strenuously opposed to their posts being included explain why? (assuming they have reasons outside of privacy and precedent)

I'm still trying to understand why inclusion would concern some people.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

anthony, get your head out the clouds man.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

To me there are two components to a love of copyright: ego and greed. These are two of the things I despise most in humanity. I think I must be missing some other components which would bring about a need to have your thoughts copywritten.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

needing to eat.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

The thing is, there are good pragmatic reasons, strategic reasons, for supporting Anthony's position. Information doesn't just want to be free, it is free, whether we like it or not. This is the reality of the time we live in. And consider also that immoderate moderation may actually create the trolling it thinks it's preventing.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

the other component you're missing is 'consent'

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

it seems to me that anthony has his feet planted firmly in the ground.

― Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

philosophically, it makes sense to be against copyright, though I'm not sure if information's salient characteristic is that it is free. If this is your view, you should work to change copyright laws in an effective manner (ie. not by flouting them).

Momus, do you own the copyrights on your records?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

also, I'm starting to think that this particular thread should be locked for posterity (ha!) and we should continue the philosophic and legalistic discussion elsewhere, without much reference to this incident. Though maybe that's a bad idea, too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I own and then sell the copyrights to my records. I also 'sell' the right of illegal copy by controlling the mp3ing process myself, or rather, by giving 'pirates' the chance to redeem themselves by donating. (Parallel with trolls: I would give them the same chance, and keep giving it.)

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

All of the bullshit about ILX ever being "special" or "different" from any other online forum is basically a bunch of old-timers blowing smoke up each other's asses about how wonderful they are. FWIW.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

okay, thanks Momus, I was just curious.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I responded to something written about ten posts ago, not 564, if you'll bother looking.

I don't want to argue about this, but you said "please delete me from the book" after it was clear that Mark no longer has ANY intention of publishing the book at all.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

the other component you're missing is 'consent'

but someone would only require consent due to the influence of their greed and/or ego. imo, obv.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

we should continue the philosophic and legalistic discussion elsewhere

I just went looking for an old copyright thread to revive, but there are too many old ones to choose from.

I wasn't around for most of them. Maybe one of you longstanders remembers a goodie to revive.

― Maria D. (Maria D.), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

(I have decided I want to have the last word on this thread.)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

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