Any reason why ILM is so quiet these days?

its a common thing im sure

but the group is missing pics of chou pahrot records

I've no interest in Facebook either except for stuff like reposting that picture of Merkel and Netanyahu that Mordy posted earlier... and that picture of Paulette Goddard.

deems isnt in the group either

I'm kind of anti Facebook for no real reason. Maybe just resent their relentless Zerg creep

I've been floating around here ~5 years now (!) and I don't even really look at ILM ever, some people just aren't into music but are into fucking around in weird internet spaces, yknow? I don't even look at the ILE index all that much, I have so much random stuff bookmarked there's usually something or other to catch up on even if it's "low-value content"

it makes me sad to see a lot of discussion move over to facebook and twitter since ILM's long history and deep archive is what makes the site special to me. a lot of my time on this site is spent reading through old threads of music I want to learn more about. i feel like i've even gotten to know the personality, music tastes, and expertise of posters long gone--which is not at all possible with facebook. heck, one of my favorite moments on this site was reading through the reactions to kate bush's aerial which had just leaked 8 years after the fact.

it seems all the music critics prefer twitter but the rest stay here. No idea why critics prefer twitter to facebook

Given all the wariness and cynicism about the really shitty side of facebook and (to a lesser extent)twitter, I'm surprised so many people here want to go those places.
I've noticed that a lot of people who are not wholly enthusiastic about those places reluctantly go because they can't turn down the networking and business advantages. Is that the case here? Then the convenience of doing everything else at those places comes later?

Shouldn't have said "those places" three times

Certain music discussions on ILM are still extremely rewarding, but a lot of times, I know a particular topic will attract the same handful of posters, often staking out the same opinions they had 5-10 years ago, myself included. On Twitter there's a lot more potential to get different perspectives or get to know people who turn out to be kindred spirits.

why twitter and not facebook though? you cant get great posts like here or facebook when you are limited to characters plus its a pain to navigate imo

I've noticed that a lot of people who are not wholly enthusiastic about those places reluctantly go because they can't turn down the networking and business advantages. Is that the case here? Then the convenience of doing everything else at those places comes later?

not me obviously. Im only there to keep in touch with people I know from other online places like audiogalaxy/soulseek/soundrop communities , other ilxors and their nice friends who add me.

Im guessing what branwell said on the other thread about not having to deal with certain people is the attraction?

Also some ppl prefer the format?

branwell otm. i go on facebook because its branwell-free.

Not having to deal with certain ilxor people or just generally the way forums make you deal with unpleasant people?
Do twitter and facebook have increasingly better options for blocking people? Because I know a lot of folks leave twitter and facebook because of harassment.

that isn't very nice scott
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i think you can safely say robert they mean both but esp the former

Facebook and Twitter feel like appropriate spaces to make declarations (often by reference to linked news, opinion pieces etc) which then spur discussions. The bar is higher for thread starting on ILX - and higher than it used to be because volume is down - so people are more likely to just participate in existing conversations... Or not, if they have nothing of interest to say on the current active threads.

Ned is an excellent Facebook user for example - his wall provides a good case for what works about that format.

i never see ned on facebook. but on twitter we are thick as thieves.

ned's a lunatic! nothing but posts about the Warped Tour morning noon and night.

he has sent a few of my tweets viral - if ned leverages his personal brand in your favour it will boost your level of engagement to the max

Often shocks me how dickish the earliest years of this forum were.

On the contrary they seem laughably polite and courteous, I'm talking of the early early days, errrrrrr, before I showed up, for one.

Whenever I search an old thread on a band, author or whatever, a lot of the comments seem really cruel and way more narrow minded in the earlier posts.
I was looking up posts on Poppy Z Brite and people were pretty nasty about the writing and the transgender stuff. Just one example of course but I wouldn't have wanted to join the place back then.

What you would get a lot in the early days was like three posts saying "X is a stupid ugly bitch" and then one long, thoughtful, nuanced post from Nabisco, and everyone remembers the fourth post rather than the preceding three when reflecting back on the sepia-toned early age of ILM.

But were there any posts about Kyle's mom?

I feel like mid-period ILX was the most dramatic tbh

rev are you in https://www.facebook.com/groups/ilxorsnowplaying/ lots of people joined the past few days but hopefully they might post in it

Do think of Twitter as a kind of downmarket version of ILX for people who never found their way to ILX.

Rev OTM up there BTW. Old ILX was sort of naive and exploratory with semi-regular tantrums, newer ILX is stable but unexciting middle age, all the craziness happened in between.

Message boards in general are in decline, right? If anything ILM is outperforming the rest of them.

reddit seems to be doing fine

Cosmic Slop: I think I'm a member of that group but I don't post. I don't really care for fb as a discussion platform and mostly use it for logistics and lurk otherwise.

So many message boards I've joined and participated in the past fifteen years have died. ILE/ILM is the last one I check with any sort of regularity.

My favorite thread have always been the ones covering the tentpole pop/indie/hip hop albums. There do seem to be less of those kinds of threads lately.

The fb listening group just makes it easier to post photos/images of album sleeves than uploading something to imgur and posting it here. It's the rare post there that gets more than a few likes or more than one comment. It's fun(ish), but not a replacement for this place.

I guess the main reason I view fb and twitter as secondary repositories of ILM-talk is that there's no good way to search the archives of either one. Here, if you want to go back and find what people were saying about Justin Timberlake between the breakup of NSync and the release of his first album, it's not too hard to find content if it's there. If you wanted to do that on fb or twitter, you a) couldn't, because those conversations would've happened before either service even existed and b) it would take you HOURS to locate it.

Twitter search isn't that difficult. Also at least 80% of my favorite Twitter users are non-ilxors.

https://twitter.com/reverenddollars/status/99276008250818560

Just took me ~hours~ to find my first tweet.

i hate twitter. but i get it. i guess. why people are there. i'm not a phone person.

Just took me ~hours~ to find my first tweet.

tbf, the advanced search feature is a lot more useful now than when I was a regular twitter user. I didn't realize they'd beefed it up. The same can't be said for facebook, however.

yeah facebook is a memory hole

Oh totally.

I've always wondered why they've never added a strong search function.

Because it's all about the RIGHT NOW, BITCHES!!!!!!

(not that you guys are the bitches; just sayin')

another reason it is quiet

because when one of my favorite posters asked for more women in the runaways thread she was derided and as a result of stupid japery she's left ilx altogether

that's why you cant have nice things

i plan on never leaving & making you all miserable as a result YOURE FUCKING WELCOME

you're one of the reasons i'm still even here. jbr too, but i can chat with her on facebook.

lol we'll be here at the end posting in the eagles thread like statler & waldorf

another reason it is quiet

because when one of my favorite posters asked for more women in the runaways thread she was derided and as a result of stupid japery she's left ilx altogether

that's terrible, i feel awful for contributing to any of the unnecessary noise in that thread, hope she has not really left ilx

the straight white male poll was the final straw i think :/

I find certain aspects of ILM really frustrating, and while I post a lot have on occasion tried to forgo due to perceived dickishness from some parties, but I always try to remind myself: don't take it personally, it's the internet, this is how it works, most of you I've never met, etc. I do miss some posters, some voices I looked forward to and/or respected. But by and large I don't find ILM hugely different from what brought me here a very long time ago, bar maybe more cartoonishly kneejerk negativity and sensitivity, which at least in the latter case reflects a general increase in awareness, imo, of how we use the internet and perhaps how we use the internet improperly (louder, faster!).

if an ilx beef threatens to take over a perfectly innocent thread you can politely direct people here.

if an ilx beef threatens to take over "if an ilx beef threatens to take over a perfectly innocent thread you can politely direct people here." you can direct people here.

if beef on an ilx trees thread get out of hand, come here to look at beef

if an ilx beef gets out of hand on the beef thread come here to look at trees