Any reason why ILM is so quiet these days?

music critics used to make lots of big posts here.. Now it feels they save that for the dayjob. Which is a loss to ilm

Wow, I've spent a lot of time lurking through past threads and thought it was a plus for this site that we'd been largely rid of that crowd... not that music criticism in general is a bad thing, but it's a magnet for snobs, and this site certainly got many of the worst of them. The DMB thread is a fucking embarrassment from this vantage point. Record store rats spewing causticity at 14yos sticking up for their favourite band with newly-enlightened 30somethings egging them on? Entertaining yeah, but in a car wreck sense, on both sides, no? Seems like putting ego before loving music.

Recently a former regular here tweeted '"The idea of musical 'authenticity' is certainly a suburban idea."--Frith'... from this Cambodian perspective where "early 70s rock was real music" is a resounding statement, I'm not even going to bother asking whether critics think it's pre- or post- khmer rouge suburbia, but rather why no one's calling them out on this bullshit. This reliance upon ready-made insults is typical from modern critics. The only real counterpoint used to come from Geir Hongro, who was unfortunately so simpleminded that he became a village muppet. At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night. It's really entertaining to read, yeah, but not worth shedding a tear over. Things are fine now.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

that's Pol Pot behaviour right there

xxp i must admit i have no idea what you're talking about here.

huh. yeah not my experience of ILM mainly. plenty of that around the edges but when i think music critics making "big posts" i'm picturing multi-paragraph usenet-type things where people are trying to figure something out, or people who know something are taking the time to explain it. i've learned a ton from long posts on this board and have mostly just skimmed past the admittedly abundant contemptuous rockist zingers (which, yeah, are definitely around, especially in the VERY early days).

Has the signal-to-noise ratio improved in recent years? Seems like it.

At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night.

well that's not sexist at all

what's wrong with being not sexy?

'a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night'

new board description please

here we go

this might be a case of 'too much time on ilx' but i can no longer read the phrase 'off-the-shelf' without thinking of german toilets

appropriate given the circumstances

music critics used to make lots of big posts here.. Now it feels they save that for the dayjob. Which is a loss to ilm

Wow, I've spent a lot of time lurking through past threads and thought it was a plus for this site that we'd been largely rid of that crowd... not that music criticism in general is a bad thing, but it's a magnet for snobs, and this site certainly got many of the worst of them. The DMB thread is a fucking embarrassment from this vantage point. Record store rats spewing causticity at 14yos sticking up for their favourite band with newly-enlightened 30somethings egging them on? Entertaining yeah, but in a car wreck sense, on both sides, no? Seems like putting ego before loving music.

Recently a former regular here tweeted '"The idea of musical 'authenticity' is certainly a suburban idea."--Frith'... from this Cambodian perspective where "early 70s rock was real music" is a resounding statement, I'm not even going to bother asking whether critics think it's pre- or post- khmer rouge suburbia, but rather why no one's calling them out on this bullshit. This reliance upon ready-made insults is typical from modern critics. The only real counterpoint used to come from Geir Hongro, who was unfortunately so simpleminded that he became a village muppet. At its height this site was a simmering pot for off-the-shelf arguments you could spew at the grad lounge to impress the bob marley/RHCP fan's girlfriend before retiring alone for the night. It's really entertaining to read, yeah, but not worth shedding a tear over. Things are fine now.

― Adam J Duncan, Friday, 17 July 2015 14:13

Not my experience at all.

if you want me to be loud i can be fuckin' loud

ILM had a lot of good threads and posts and put me onto a lot of good music but the good of the experience was always way outweighed by the nastiness and the culture of group policing of opinions that developed, so over time it just stoped feeling rewarding and I stopped visiting. I also just don't like the things ILM most often gets excited about all that much.

a pile-on is never a pretty sight but people who can't bear to get a bit of a zinging if they write something stupid or challopian shd probably go somewhere else on the internet where nobody ever says anything sarcastic

a pile-on isn't the same as a hivemind or groupthink or opinion-policing. i've rarely seen anybody get a real piss-taking on ILM who hasn't been posting in a style that suggests "challenge my forthright opinions if you dare"

Ok

i could be wrong! maybe there's a load of evidence out there of naive innocents getting a verbal mauling all unprovoked. maybe people shd give examples.

is off-the-shelf british for off the cuff?

Xp I don't really feel like it.

I don't really feel like presenting a case and an argument on this point. I'm sure you could even trudge up posts where I was doing exactly what you're talking about, but you'd in turn just be demonstrating exactly why I stopped enjoying ILM

i love ilm but i pretty much only post when i am fawning over something and i need to share my enthusiasm, i've never really had the heavyweight opinions that others bring but i appreciate them

*dredge not trudge

scott it's more like "off the peg", readymade

okay, got it. that would be off the rack here.

Btw I actually think it had been less nasty and polarized in recent years but I just already felt sort of fatigued of the experience by then. When I first came to ILM there was more of an overthrow-the-old-guitar-order/make-fun-of-post-rock vibe that I found off-putting and intriguing at the same time. Because I liked some post rock a lot and I didn't really see why it was so worthy of bashing but I also hadn't encountered anyone who so strenuously hated it before.

tortoise were no penguin cafe orchestra. that's right, i said it...

Scott you were always one of the posters who kept me coming back to ILM

2006-08 period was pretty volatile iirc, but that was mostly down to dom and the zing crew.

"Scott you were always one of the posters who kept me coming back to ILM"

i apologize...from the bottom of my heart...

penguin cafe orchestra is tight

The DMB thread is a fucking embarrassment from this vantage point.

Which thread is this, I'd like to read it!

some really horrible poster started it under an assumed name
Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

Oh right, have never thought about looking at that for even a nanosecond.

It was once the largest thread on ILX until registered log-ins came in. Random googlers were lols

Sounds good!

the legend is that Jon W posted links to it on DMB forums. I've always meant to ask him if he did (to say thanks)

that thread is 100% worth it IMO for this one googler post, i think about this all the time and not just for lolz (although mostly)

alright.. i only read the first bunch of postings.. and i dont know why there are so many haters out there.. dave is a great guy and does alott of work for charities.. pardon the spelling haha.. i dont know where you get corporate rock band from.. since hes libral as hell.. his lyrics are great.. just get beyond everyday and gravedigger.. his so smooth on the guitar its not even funny.. everyone in the band has incredible talent.. and i dont know how you can say its bland music.. some of the greatest artists ever are bland.. for example.. and keep in mind i love the beatles.. but "we all live in a yellow submarineee yellow submarinee.. la la la" its very boring as well.. oh and about his voice.. very few people have the range that dave has.. and what kind of music does everyone here listen too??.. besides britney spears and john mayer of course..
― CcchrissS, Friday, December 9, 2005 10:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that's the legendary one.

oh and about his voice.. very few people have the range that dave has..

hahahaha this is one of the most insane claims anyone has ever made about music

Tina bringing the cliches lols

You need to stop the hatin' on Dave. DMB are a terrifially talented band who write great songs, play their instruments well , sing with passion and write about important issues. You 'music fans' here can keep your alternative rock rubbish like Nirvana , Pearl jam , Sonic Youth and Pixies and leave the genius of real music like Dave Matthews to the millions of real music fans worldwide. Thats why they've sold millions of albums and gigs sell out instantly.

― Tina R, Friday, 6 June 2003 16:06 (12 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Also why do some people keep going on about regular date rapes while listening to dave? Wheres the evidence to back this up?

― Tina T, Friday, 6 June 2003 16:08 (12 years ago)

h stencil had the best first reply, M@tt

The guy sings like a muppet.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:34 (12 years ago)

otm

I think now that Doobie Bros. are hip maybe in 10-20 years DMB will get some kind of 90s classic rock revisiting.

they have a huge fanbase that's never gone away, and a mainstream 90s popularity that i doubt has turned to hatred in most of the people who bought the first two albums. they've got rock and roll hall of fame written all over them and yeah, no reason to think their hits and maybe even some album cuts will be huge on future equivalents of the classic rock format.

But not in the UK thankfully as nobody has ever heard of them over here

AJD has got a point, mind.

I used to be a music journalist and I started this thread:

Buckinghamshire

It wouldn't be a great loss if I went.

Best threadstart of 2015 imo.

Hi.

And after all that I have no idea what DMB are like.

I imagine if "Achy Nearly Heart" was a more serious song, that's what DMB would sound like..