Joanna Newsom - Divers (clusterfuck topic tbd)

hoom was my favorite album of 2010 definitely

"in california" makes me instantly cry

hoom was my favorite album of 2010 definitely

― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, August 10, 2015 7:35 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

um excuse me it's "whom"

HOOM had some amazing highlights but I never listen to the whole thing

Ys is just the right portion of Newsom for me

I'll ride for Milk-Eyed Mender all day but let's be honest there's no car on the road that gives better mileage than unicorn jokes

the lyrics to the new song are also great but imo she's a great lyricist and only gets better with each record

so the arrangements could be roughly identical to hoomicorn and there'd still probably be a lot there for me in terms of progression

ok actually never mind "waltz of the 1st lightborne" should have the texture a van der graaf generator song

strange animal!

liking the new track but can't shake the similarity to you and me bess. similar progression and turnaround in the first half

why can't this be a safe space for joanna newsom fandom

huh i thought jc loves chachi was a legit newsom hater, yr troll game is solid.

love the last couple of minutes of this, the multi-tracked vocals, the woodwinds that sound like fripp-y guitar or fripp-y guitar that sounds like woodwinds, v nice

why can't this be a safe space for joanna newsom fandom

― j. winters (josh), Tuesday, August 11, 2015 1:44 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah looking back at the HOOM thread and it's seriously bothersome, verging on bullying.

cmon some signifiers are just inherently ridiculous and should be given no quarter

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In many cases, people justifiably get shit for spraying troll piss all over a thread whose subject they don't care for. I don't know why there are exceptions.

'Spraying Troll Piss' is a song on the new album, btw, iirc.

the list is shrinking daily but there are still things on ilx that it's cool to be a dick about

originality of zings is entirely the issue imo, zings are fine but voice-is-like-cats jokes are embarrassing to read

YOUR FACE IS EMBARRASSING TO READ!

haha, i'm done on this thread, i swear. enjoy your cat lady, you guys! i just had to get that out of my system...

(i tried to play the new JN song for my wife last night and she had to leave the room. true love!!!)

voice is like a cat-lady's, which is embarrassing because it's basic-level sexist. xxxp oh look a not-apology

the quaint thing about this thread so far is it's 100% dudes either "loving" or "not loving" a woman's music. except for la lechera calling out the jizz joke.

i'm not even much of a JN fan (yet?) and the zings are tired itt

there's something much worse than "not loving" going on here

i misread, he did say "old lady cat voice" which is just kind of whatever so i take back my risibleness

it was a play on old man hat voice. the yin to JN's yang.

I can't speak for every troll, but there's no misogyny in my JN hatred. What hearing her voice brings out of me is the same intense revulsion I get when Dan Bejar or Antony Hegarty sings, because none of them make music that is good enough for me to get past what they sound like when they sing (although JN has the added layer of being very "ren faire" and playing a harp, so she's going to get 3 times the trolling).

it makes me cringe. what can i say. the only part i dug from the new song was the frippertronic kate bush part at the end.

except for la lechera calling out the jizz joke.

― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:16 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thing is there's a JN lyric apparently about semen and it requires a syllogism to get to that conclusion and too much coffee

Is the title meant as like Olympic divers or deep sea divers or divers as in the olde tyme way of saying "diverse"

the normal response to revulsion is just to stay away.

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there's really no extracting joanna newsom-hate from our misogynist culture - it informs all of our tastes and word choice. it's quite possible my desire to verbally snicker-snag when asked to earnestly engage with what sounds like someone playing a fubar-scratched CD of The Kick Inside is nothing but a macho defense mechanism that has to be transcended if we're ever to achieve true understanding and mutual respect. i will fully admit that.

I guess there's a good chance this song (recorded live 2012) will be on the album (maybe as track 7 "Divers")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuN-4gykysU

Keep Austin ilxor.com Weird offended.

I've never got into JN as much as I should. A friend gave me a mix CD with "Book of Right On" on it back when Milk Eyed Mender came out. Loved the song, but never checked out the album. Then Ys was just too much. I don't think I was ready for 15 minute harp epics or whatever. So I skipped HOOM after that. I really like this track though.

Again, my previously-uninformed opinion of JN was infected by many of the same (un-/underinformed) prejudices expressed by the haters itt. The type of music she makes is not the type of music I typically enjoy. But I engaged with her music after a stretch of being put off by the descriptors and the ambience suggested by those descriptors and I'm really glad that I did. She's responsible some of my favorite music from the last ten years.

90% of the objectionable voice stuff (arguably objectionable, as I came to enjoy the way it harkened back to early-20th C. Ozark folk recordings) is from her first album, btw. She's done a lot of work on her voice and it's really quite lovely now.

She's done a lot of work on her voice and it's really quite lovely now.

If I hadn't already listened to "Sapokanikan," I might believe you.

Ys is my least favorite of the three, btw. Still good but easily the least accessible. Interested newbies should listen to HOOM first, I'd argue.

xxxp check out 'en gallop'. I think you'd like all of Milk Eyed Mender if you liked "Book of Right On".

Cool.

I disagree newbies should go to HOOM. Maybe if we're looking for individual album tracks. Ys has the majestic melodies circling around each other and the feel of coherence over the other albums.

admittedly i havent spent very much time listening to her but easily found tracks on HOOM to be the more accessible than anything on ys or milk-eyed

i didn't particularly enjoy this new track

right now i kind of just more admire her than enjoy her, that might change though

Ys is the one that got me hooked. I still think it's her most powerful.

huh i thought jc loves chachi was a legit newsom hater, yr troll game is solid.

no, I loved MEM - like, deeply - wasn't super-sold on Ys and thought HOOM was pretty lol

reeeeeeeeasonably certain giving shit to people who make records is a big part of this board crossing all gender et al lines. however, it's true that JN's an easy target and that issues of the constructed "feminine" etc come into play here. be that as it may, the countermove -- "there's no way your clowning is in earnest, it has to be about something deeper otherwise why didn't you clown [other artist who didn't inspire the same revulsion]" is really infantile discourse imo. it's also basically the entire internet right now so w/e

would be interested to know what was lol about HOOM to a MEM-lover

i dunno, you could ask yourself, are you adding anything of value to this thread, or are you detracting from its value

how the fuck can they afford that house

it was only $6.25 million, obviously a shit load of money but less than i would've thought for that house

samberg prob makes a ton of money?

newsom is also a fairly successful musician but i don't really know what someone at her level makes

Haven't we had this conversation already?