oh I was into nu metal and atdi and my friends were into tool, and they were covered in the same magazines etc. but if you were to put on korn, limp bizkit, coal chamber, and either atdi or tool you would see that one of those bands is not like the other.― corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, August 18, 2015 5:55 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, August 18, 2015 5:55 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I agree, but there was definitely some crossover with the audiences, with Korn fans getting into ATD-I and/or Tool etc.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link
but I'm surprised Emo (Fallout Boy, My Chemical Romance, Panic At The Disco) isn't mentioned often as part of the nu-metal legacy.
would it be true to suggest that "a day to remember" seem to cross this line i.e. emo + some nu-metal tendencies.
― mark e, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:09 (eight years ago) link
I always saw the Fall Out Boy/My Chemical Romance/Panic At The Disco crop as something distinct that came afterwards.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
I know they were different types of bands but it seemed to me that Linkin Park, Marilyn Manson, Evanesence and a few other bands (and the persisting popularity of Nirvana and Nine Inch Nails) maybe built a wider young female audience that emo benefited from?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
again this is a tangential hardcore development. some metalcore bands prob have nu-metal influences but the nu-metal tendencies ppl identify have usually always been a part of metalcore
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link
hmmmmm robert you may have something there, at least since (anecdotally) iirc linkin park and evanescence fandom translated really easily to crossover emo fandom
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link
Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory to me was nu-metal tropes taken to some kind of logical, palatable pop conclusion.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link
i'm not knocking At-The Drive In at all btw
they are significantly cooler than a majority of the bands mentioned in this thread and maybe a logical extension for ex nu-metal fans who grew up a bit
― hackshaw, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
The Mars Volta on the other hand.
*barf*
― hackshaw, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
xxpost:
I mean, I don't think there's a single instance of profanity on Hybrid Theory... there's a moment in one of the tracks where Chester Bennington is all like "You... tried to take the best of me... GO AWAY!" which in the hands of any other nu-metal band woulda been "You... tried to take the best of me, SO FUCK OFF! COCKSUCKER! RRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAWWWWRRRRRR! FUCK OFF! GET THE FUCK OUT! AAAAAHHHHRRRRRR! AAAAAAAHHHHHRRRRR!"
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
The Mars Volta were also a logical extension for "ex nu-metal fans who grew up a bit"... it wasn't difficult to see fans of Lateralus going for De-Loused and some did.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
Hey there's a reason the Mars Volta opened for A Perfect Circle on their Thirteenth Step tour.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
Tbf all of these trends were punk/hardcore offshoots one way or another - grunge through Melvins/Dinosaur Jr, then the Biohazard/RATM/Clawfinger/Dog Eat Dog era, nu-metal, "postmetal" or post-hardcore, emo, screamo, crunk-core, metalcore, crabcore.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link
crabcore was my ticket into becoming a complete anglophile indie kid
game over
― hackshaw, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link
brad mentioned helmet but to me they are aside from FNM probably the biggest influence on all this stuff, maybe throw in Prong, but a certain post-hardcore, mathy, downtuned hyper precise riffing language that i think you see in most nu-metal
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
Sometimes I wonder if post-punk guitarists were a bit of an influence on some nu-metal bands.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
nu metal bands all seemed to love the cure, depeche mode et al
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUebkluEZng
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
also lol ross robinson produced the self-titled cure record from 2004
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 20:21 (eight years ago) link
nu metal bands all seemed to love the cure, depeche mode et al― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:19 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, August 18, 2015 8:19 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, I knew about that... I was thinking more of the dissonant side of it, like the stuff Keith Levene was doing in PiL.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
I mean, the way that Korn's guitarists sometimes do that thing where it sounds like the buzzing of a hive full of angry bees sounds quite post-punky to me for some reason.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
Quite surprised when I found out Robinson had produced Wild Throne (formerly Dog Shredder) and a bunch of other stuff unlike most of his work.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link
great observation imo
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link
Seems more likely that comes from Paige Hamilton rather than PIL
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 22:08 (eight years ago) link
and page comes from glenn branca?
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 22:17 (eight years ago) link
woah now, let's leave Glenn Branca out of this please.
it was more Primus (and wacky AmRep bands) than PiL in regards to this sound
― hackshaw, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 22:38 (eight years ago) link
Yes Paige Hamilton the leader of wacky Am Rep band Helmet
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 22:49 (eight years ago) link
Helmet, of course, but the connection to Branca is purely coincidental.
― hackshaw, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 22:50 (eight years ago) link
but i guess there's that picture on the internet of Fred Durst wearing a Sonic Youth shirt so what the fuck do i know.
― hackshaw, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 22:55 (eight years ago) link
first show i ever went to was korn supported by limp bizkit and helmet lol
fred durst has professed his love for joy division, the smiths, sonic youth etc.
― corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 22:57 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHXdw8WJFJM
― hackshaw, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 23:11 (eight years ago) link
my mate kev was at that gig. He came away a helmet fan and went off limp bizkit and borrowed all my helmet cds just before the gig. xp
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 23:44 (eight years ago) link
I think I saved him
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
someone sang "Break Stuff" at karaoke last night.
there are pieces of him floating in the Atlantic ocean now
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 21:59 (eight years ago) link
break stuff and nookie are great karaoke songs
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 22:40 (eight years ago) link
"Korn was keeping alive the flame of no wave."That claim is a steaming platter of freshly squeezed crap.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, December 19, 2002 5:05 PM (12 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― 빨간 럼 ఎరుపు రమ్ רום אדום (Eisbaer), Monday, 31 August 2015 02:00 (eight years ago) link
So did we reasses nu-metal? AFAIK its status is still "really shitty."
― Frobisher, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 00:19 (eight years ago) link
and it always will be
― Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 10:40 (eight years ago) link
I dunno, those first two System Of A Down albums seem to have held up quite well.
― Thank fuck that the Pitchfork '80s list bollocks is over with. (Turrican), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 00:12 (eight years ago) link
yeah I still like spinning those. most of their catalog really tho later stuff was closer to legit metal
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 00:13 (eight years ago) link
I dunno, SOAD to me had a distasteful "Think we're nu-metal? Wait until you hear THIS" element to them which I found repugnant.
I mean, ffs, they're called 'System Of A Down' for christ's sake. Down they go with the rest of them.
― Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 02:23 (eight years ago) link
lol they were a great band sorry
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 September 2015 02:57 (eight years ago) link
http://www.nme.com/blogs/festivals-blog/limp-bizkit-in-2015-could-be-tragic-instead-its-a-whole-lot-of-fun
it is happening.
I actually watched this live set on catch up, and it was scary as to how young the crowd were, and how much they knew the songs !
I thought the crowd would be a bunch of grey hairs reliving their nu-metal glory days, but no, the band have clearly connected with a new audience.
oh, and fred was genuinely funny, self deprecating and kind of cool, while the band sounded fucking brilliant.
― mark e, Friday, 4 September 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/may/09/20-years-nu-metal-rap-rock-korn-kerrang
― Odysseus, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link
I quickly flipped through Sylvia Massy's book about a year ago and have been meaning to give it more thorough read. There's a part where she describes the proper way to mic a singer who's hanging upside down, referring to something she did with Serj from System Of A Down. There's also this "How To Shoot A Piano" diagram that refers to a gunshot noise used as percussion in Tool's "Disgustipated."
http://i.imgur.com/KKJEXCM.jpg
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 23:45 (six years ago) link
Never heard of that book before but it sounds fascinating.
― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 11 May 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izePLzAbc40
― maura, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link
extremely about this
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:17 (four years ago) link
i could probably go for this if it didnt have the screaming
― ufo, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link