what do you think of Jon Savage?

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You may have a long wait, here he is in England's Dreaming:

Punk was politically riven as it interacted with the world outside. If the Jam and the Stranglers were going to coast in the slipstream of the Sex Pistols, then it was not surprising if they were judged on the same radical criteria and found wanting. Despite the element of novelty in both groups, there were also strong traces of stylistic and/or ideological conservatism which made them a satisfactory bridge between the mainstream and Punk’s all-out assault.

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 07:28 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I'm aware of his "stance" on both bands, and have always thought it was complete bullshit. If one listens to Never Mind The Bollocks and Black and White back-to-back, it's apparent which one sounds the most musically "conservative", and it ain't The Stranglers. IMO, the Pistols' music was far more monochrome by comparison, and both bands had a lot of attitude. Yes, The Jam were influenced by '60s acts, I don't think they ever denied that. However, surely not even Jon Savage can deny that that band meant a hell of a lot to a lot of people in the late '70s/early '80s, and if he does, then he's full of shit... and if he's implying that "punk was meant to be new", and that the Sex Pistols weren't influenced by anything and came about in a vacuum, then he's also full of shit. IMO, of course.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link

have you actually read his books?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 21:22 (eight years ago) link

five years pass...

https://thequietus.com/articles/30314-jon-savage-englands-dreaming-teenage-1966-owen-hatherley-interview

His perspective is so thought-provoking and really resonates with me.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 8 August 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link

That was a very interesting interview. Makes me want to read Teenage, but not 1966. England's Dreaming I've had for years.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 8 August 2021 21:52 (two years ago) link

1966 is pretty solid, I'd say give that a whirl. And yes to England's Dreaming, had the paperback run of that forever -- picked it up in 1992 when I visited the UK for the first time.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 August 2021 23:07 (two years ago) link

more than "pretty solid", 1966 is his best book IMO -- the interview doesn't really do it justice bcz it gets derailed into a (yes justified but also irrelevant) hate-fest against the very bad tory social historian dominic sandbrook

(this also means the much trickier question that hatherley asks -- abt the left-revisionist treatment of the 70s (historians beckett and edgerton) -- doesn't get explored)

mark s, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 09:08 (two years ago) link


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