Most Overrated Act To Get More Than Two Songs On Pitchfork's Best Songs Of The 80s

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i never really got into whitney houston

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 14:22 (eight years ago) link

One thing that constantly surprises me about millennial's music taste (and the Pitchfork list is definitely written by them, for them) is their total rejection of REM.

It's hard to believe that they only got one song on the entire 80s list, when they were arguably the most influential American rock band of the entire decade.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link

i don't know if they're rejected per se

welltris (crüt), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link

rem would have soooo much more mystique if they'd split in 97, hard to miss a group that only half-went away

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link

that said rem underperforming on critics lists says more about what critics feel the need to celebrate than what "the kids" are into

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link

lest we assume the kids were really into los lobos albums in the 80s

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link

REM is probably my favorite band, but what is there to say about them in 2015? it's better to open discussion more widely

if only the same applied to the stupid Pixies...

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 16:11 (eight years ago) link

13 year old me thought their La Bamba cover was cool. I probably didn't really start getting into Los Lobos until I was at least 20-ish, though.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 16:11 (eight years ago) link

(alright, just in case this turns into The Defense Of Los Lobos, I love the latin playboys and How Will The Wolf Survive, I'm just trying to note the obvious that "critcs picks" != the pulse of the nation's youth)

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link

(I know)

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link

Haha I was just thinking about how Los Lobos got shut out of this poll. Will The Wolf Survive would be high on my 80s song list.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link

And I'm primarily basing my REM theory on a cd I burned for my young cousin who has cool music taste but hated Murmur. REM just stuck around too long, it's true. The kids just know them as this lame band of old dudes.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link

That never stopped me from getting into the Stones, but I wonder if I'd be even more into the Stones if they'd stopped at, say, Some Girls.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link

Whitney Houston - great voice, but never liked any of her hits

Darin, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link

also, who the hell is Frankie Knuckles?

Darin, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link

Dude had a few top 40s in the early 80s, wrote "I've had the time of my life" - kids are really into him now, I think there might have been a reissue

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link

his duet with Ann Wilson is sweet.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link

Alfred I am not making some "lol rando 80s details" joke I am describing the specific career details of franke k. Please respect that.

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 17:43 (eight years ago) link

also, who the hell is Frankie Knuckles?

Get out. Get out now.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 18:16 (eight years ago) link

No need for this much '80s Bowie on here. Dude owned the '70s, but the '80s are mostly known for Bowie being terrible. Certainly no need for Modern Love *and* Let's Dance. GNR didn't need two, either. Love the Replacements, but they could have gotten away with one, also, esp. to make room for one or two of the glaring omissions (which would be a great name for a new wave act).

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link

And if there had to be two Bowie songs, "Ashes to Ashes" over "Modern Love."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link

'Chilly Down' over 'Let's Dance'.

Herbie Mann's Push Push Pops (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link

Would knock off both Guns N Roses songs for some Devo tracks.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 18:35 (eight years ago) link

I couldn't find a playlist on spotify (I'm sure there must be people who made it into a list already but search function sucks or it takes some time to update). So here's a link, I'm sort of busy so this might take two days but half of the list is there already:

https://open.spotify.com/user/moteldemoka/playlist/491iIVQpdjtGOa8keqt0mP

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:28 (eight years ago) link

bowie. i mean "let's dance"? really?

brimstead, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:30 (eight years ago) link

By the way, Luther Vandross should be on this list as it appears twice in the list once as Luther Vandross and the other as Change.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:40 (eight years ago) link

I love Frankie Knuckles but I love dozens of 80's house songs made by other people a lot more. I have no idea why he ended up with multiple songs on this list, unless it was a straight up "let's not forget to tack on a couple of songs by this guy who just died" thing.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link

im not a pixies fan, but there was definitely something magical about frank's scream and kim's stage presence/playing that is pretty undeniable, posers.

chaki (kurt schwitterz), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:43 (eight years ago) link

why would anyone vote diana ross. the album diana, 1980, the singles from it - im coming out, upside down, my old piano. classic songs ffs

you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:45 (eight years ago) link

hell, tenderness is a great track too

you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:46 (eight years ago) link

all the diana ross hate ITT is embarrassing. you should all be embarrassed

mods = chickenshit idiots (D-40), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 23:32 (eight years ago) link

otm, wtf

brimstead, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 23:36 (eight years ago) link

otmmmmmmmmmmm^^^

marcos, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 23:56 (eight years ago) link

fuck the pixies

fuck the smiths

fuck rem

and completely fujuuuuuuuuuuck guns n roses I mean seriously gtfo with that complete bullshit

marcos, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 23:58 (eight years ago) link

ok the smiths were ok I guess but guns n roses is like the worst band

marcos, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 23:59 (eight years ago) link

pixies are F/G, i'm not crazy about them

smiths EX+

rem are VG+

guns and roses i feel like a total herb for not liking them (although the intro to "welcome to the jungle" is Classic)

brimstead, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 00:02 (eight years ago) link

It's kind of comforting and familiar to be able to cast a knee-jerk vote for New Order in every poll like this.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 00:12 (eight years ago) link

Think I'm gonna say Pixies, for reasons no one will agree with. Partly for the weird critical over-rating of them, treating a creepy schtick band with a good sound into something MAJOR; partly because they are the mainstreaming of a certain kind of trash-horror ironic aesthetic, and for that reason I kinda hate them. I mean, to pick up on a comparison upthread, he Cure are an immensely limited band and only really have two songs, but their miserableness feels earned and their two songs (the funereal one and the fast aching one) are both really good. This is no doubt some authenticity bullshit, but Robert Smith seems to have a personality, call it a self if you will; the various Pixies just seem to have comic books they like....

Swag Heathen (theStalePrince), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 03:06 (eight years ago) link

I'm a fan, but I think more than one Frankie Knuckles track is excessive. I would gladly swap “Baby Wants to Ride” for "Father Figure."

Chantilly Bass, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 04:24 (eight years ago) link

I wonder how PF would've even policed a one-track-per-artist filter when putting together the final results. I don't think anyone would've been happy if Purple Rain had been the only Prince song in the top 200, but who's happy about him having four either?

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 04:31 (eight years ago) link

Guns n Roses. no contest. I could make a case for Joy Division too probably in second place. Everyone else on the list is cool although some of them are certainly over-represented. I love Prince as much as everybody else but 5 songs including the top spot feels like overkill.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 05:17 (eight years ago) link

Should have limited songs to one per artist and Raspberry Beret should have been the Prince pick.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 05:19 (eight years ago) link

You're probably in a small club thinking Raspberry Beret should be the lone representation of Prince, especially when Pop Life comes from the same album.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 05:25 (eight years ago) link

Tears For Fears by a million miles.
Si.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 05:26 (eight years ago) link

Ok, it's a personal favorite and I'm not being serious. Purple Rain at #1 and nothing else from Prince would have been okay with me. If there's a rule that only the top voted song for the artist places I don't see what's so polemical about that particular choice. They can eventually release the list including duplicated artists.

Will pitchfork release the rest of the votes? Would be good to see what placed below the 200s

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 05:26 (eight years ago) link

Regarding "pop life" this might sound like heresy but I absolutely love the lo-fi and miserable Yo La Tengo cover (under the DUMP alias) whereas the original Prince version just sounds ok to me.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 05:30 (eight years ago) link

They don't usually release the full list, but they used to release the ballots. Do they still do that? Dunno.

Purple Rain is like the most NOT-80s song Prince released in the 80s. Might as well have come from 1970.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 05:32 (eight years ago) link

The tears for fears record from Donnie Darko is overrated but dudes...everybody wants to rule the world is a 10/10 classic masterpiece

mods = chickenshit idiots (D-40), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 05:35 (eight years ago) link

Not the best metric but their most popular song on spotify is 'kickstart my heart' with 21M plays. For comparison GnR version of 'knockin on heavens door' has 38M. Sweet child o mine has 86M.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 3 September 2015 01:43 (eight years ago) link

Not hair metal but kind of influenced it, Cheap Trick's most famous song only has 8M. People are idiots.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 3 September 2015 01:47 (eight years ago) link

I'm sure "The Flame" has more than eight million.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 September 2015 01:52 (eight years ago) link

And yet still no-one will defend Bono and the lads.

Making a case for G'n'R has proven quite sufficiently unrewarding, thanks. I'm done with the pro bono work for this week. (See what I did there?)
I think U2 made some superlative rock records over the course of a decade or so, but there's no point trying to establish a reasoned debate on that. Between the singer's attempts to make the world a better place and the whole iTunes debacle, all people want to do nowadays is dump on them from a height. So it goes.

Vast Halo, Thursday, 3 September 2015 10:47 (eight years ago) link


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