The Doors are a PROGRESSIVE BAND, one of the best ones and they are American

you are gonna get banned if you keep this up fyi

let's keep this about the doors please

My whip has a STRICTLY DOORS bumper sticker.

shakey was that addressed to me lol?

Prog stooges possibly a bit like Ash Ra Temple? I'm certainly hearing a version of the stun guitar as played by somebody with technique on some tracks from the 2nd lp.

Doors did certainly seem to be about adding progressive elements as they saw them to rock.Though I think they were thinking more in terms of jazz but there are definite classical lifts in a few places. Albinoni's Adagio for Spanish Caravan, bits of the Soft parade and whatever Ray manzarek was coming up with half the time, though it was definitely channelled through jazz and r'n'b as it went through his fingers,> possibly something similar with kreiger?

BUt I think the openness of psychedelia is better than the more processedness of prog. Innit?

kind of interested in the idea that morrison is alive and well in schenectady... does he work for GE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-XarSH7sWs

Doors never prog.

They certainly had the pretentiousness of prog

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A Squirrel ATE my computer keyboard once. I lived in a house where squirrels were in the attic. They made their way downstairs and ATE my keyboard! My landlady paid for a new one. What happened to your keyboard? Didn't have money for a decent lunch? I am started a band called the " Windows." I can't get the windows opened. They're stuck. That is how I feel. I want to form a group and get help for all my musical ideas..no one feels music that much anymore...they live it the past...

This is already less fun than Raccoon Tanuki.

ctrl-f STYX not found smh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrVQFxDCKNo This is the post hippy era...I am still drawing pictures of Buddah with hippy beads? It is all very retro stuff. My other picture in the this video that I drew, looks like a transvestism my friend told me..broad shoulders and women's clothing...do you like ORGANS and retro-vision types of music? I do...We need some headbands, beads,longish hair, minus the heavy drug use...you may argue with that...

I am started a band called the " Windows." I can't get the windows opened. They're stuck.

I can't get the fuckin' Doors open either, or else I'd push you out of 'em.

Suggest bar The Doors.

I have a new band called the "Windows." They are so stuck that it is a big problem. I have no guitar player...I play guitar well enough but not well enough...and write really well, but no one is into retro-vision any longer...I am fogging up my windows right now...and I can't breath..no air indoors...that is how I feel.

alright, whose meta-troll project is this *casts glance in ILAFL's general direction*

tbf it has been worth multiple lols

Not quite EVIL GUIDE DOG but good work nonetheless.

the "Windows"

not to be confused with the "Windows" '97

Getting back to "prog Stooges" - Guru Guru?

Prog Velvets = The Verlaines

blew off the stage

Only 4 matches.

Jul 31, 2008 - I read an excerpt of that article in Stephen Davis' book on Jim Morrison. Apparently Zeppelin came on and blew The Doors off the stage. July 31 ...

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They were a bombastic explosive no-frills live band that certainly blew The Doors off the stage as well as every other band in the late-60s and ...

Mar 6, 2006 - We blew The Doors off the stage in some of the reviews, they also said we were the best band on the show. We put out energy. We're the same ...

They were only meant to blow the bloody Doors off.

the Bloody Doors, weren't they British?

marisa is it you?!

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Yeah, they toured with The "Windows" 98

i think matt sorum drummed some for windows millenium edition

oddesssess i listened to l.a. woman on the way home thx to you, sounded GREAT

god doors haters are such FoS wastoids. it's either
1) jim morrison is dumb (wow interesting)
2) i hate weed and blacklight posters (lol high school)
3) their music is fussy/corny/lightweight (they're not les rallizes.. do you like the monkeys?)

the doors may have been the first american prog band but they are not the best american prog band

USA IS A MONSTER forever

<3ed the doors in high school; still think they're great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_g84ubkwUg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsZJBJ63uI4

Velvet Underground as prog? Modern classical/avant garde influence put to play on basic r'n'b structure by way of jazz like improvisation?

Then you've got yer Vanilla Fudge innit? Seemed to be quite influential on protoprog at least. &got right up themselves with concept lps.

Young Rascals wound up quite proggy too.

&I heard the Seeds had a 200 year old piano teacher on keyboards.

Suggest bar The Doors.

― ... (Eazy)

I laughed

The best American prog band is Kansas.

the MARS VOLTA isn't bad, either, or BATTLES, TORTOISE, GASTR DEL SOL, TOOL, STEELY DAN, THINKING PLAGUE, ECHOLYN, STARCASTLE, DON CABALLERO, PHISH, SPOCK'S BEARD, ASTRA, BIRDS & BUILDINGS, and TRANS AM

So Steely Dan are prog rock now?

Looks like LJ has some competition..

i saw happy the man when i was in college. they ruled.

the MARS VOLTA isn't bad, either, or BATTLES, TORTOISE, GASTR DEL SOL, TOOL, STEELY DAN, THINKING PLAGUE, ECHOLYN, STARCASTLE, DON CABALLERO, PHISH, SPOCK'S BEARD, ASTRA, BIRDS & BUILDINGS, and TRANS AM

Most of these bands are very, very bad.

free your mind

My brother is a 7/18-time prog O.G. and he would say that Frank Zappa is quintessential American prog.

I would say that and almost did earlier. And Todd/Utopia too.

CAPTAIN BEEFHEART is prog too and so are the DECEMBERISTS. there's a lot of good american prog out there despite uptight rock critic dogma

I guess Zappa, Dylan (at least lyrically) and Vanilla Fudge had some of the greatest influence on the development of the genre. Alongside some of the electric jazz of the late 60s and various bits of Avant Garde?modern classical stuff from the States.
With Beefheart, Todd and a number of hippy era things coming a little behind that possibly.

Jim was CIA, as were all the other Laurel Canyon children of military-industrial complex, everyone knows this by now! ;)

#STRANGEDAYSMONO
#JIM
#DOORSRULE

Revelation was (purportedly) early enough to inspire the Stones' Goin Home

I thought it was the other way round

Also, "Da Capo" is 1966?

Yeah first album March and Da Capo in November

Oh wow you're right...I thought I read that it was 67. Well, then, yeah definitely I think Da Capo is the first prog record.

This is where I got the 'Revelations > Goin Home' point though:

What were the earliest LONG rock & pop songs on record?

interesting post on inspiration for Goin' Home from the Aftermath thread:

Regarding "Going home" - the idea of the long jam was stolen from Love who were playing what became "Revelations" in 1965 - it was then called "John Lee Hooker" Iirc. Mick saw them do it in LA, the next night Keith came along with Mick and saw them do it, and then used the idea as the template for "Going home". At least that's what I've read in two places - the "Da capo" sleeve notes and the book written by the drummer, or was it the bass player?

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(Whose drummer, though? Love's or the Stones'?)

Unconvinced that Love were the first band ever to play a 'long jam' tbh.

... live, that is

I don't know, the sax solo in "Stephanie Knows Who" is like twenty-eight seconds total of music. The rest of it sounds like garage psych to me and I don't know as that I see much relation to prog in spite of the changing meters. The harpsichord on the chromatic chord progressions does sound similar to the Doors, though.

The funny thing about all this is all these guys were basically fingerprinting on the walls compared to like 10,000 jazz artists at the time

How about this:

It would seem to make some sense to say that American garage psych contained some of the roots of prog to a perhaps lesser extent than British psych but an extent nevertheless. When I say that "Stephanie Knows Who" sounds like garage psych, though, I mean that it sounds more like "Paradox City" by the Bohemian Vendetta than it sounds like "prog" as it's normally known. Take the saxophone out of that solo and it's the Byrds.

I also think elements in the Doors and Love like the sax solo were a move toward pop sophistication in what was, at the time, a traditional sense. Prog is more often futuristic, sometimes pastoral or goofy, but I don't know as that it was ever Sinatra or Johnny Mathis.

(Whose drummer, though? Love's or the Stones'?)

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MIchael Stuart Ware was Love's 2nd drummer, possibly 3rd if Snoopy Pfisterer came between Don Conka and him. He had also drummed for Sons Of Adam.
He wrote the book Behind The Scenes At The Pegasus Carousel which I think I got mailorder which would mean it was around in the early noughties. There's been an updated edition out since, came out last year I think.

Somebody is currently trying to do a physical edition of a day by day book on Love, like Ritchie Unterberger's thing on the Velvets and various other things, I have one on the Kinks and one on the Monkees and missed picking one up on the Byrds.
He has run into trouble over images since Gettys controls them and want to charge a nasty amount for them and he's doing things on very low budget. So has been trying to find images not controlled by them. There has been a request for help on various boards.

Unconvinced that Love were the first band ever to play a 'long jam' tbh.
... live, that is

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I've seen it said that the extended modal blues jamming of the Butterfield Blues Band's "East-West" was a big influence on the SF bands for opening up, jamming out and extending material. It definitely has a very Santana lilt even on the LP.

The song East West is epic

I've also heard Buffalo Springfield early shows in SF w Neil & Stills guitar dueling were influential on that scene

The funny thing about all this is all these guys were basically fingerprinting on the walls compared to like 10,000 jazz artists at the time

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This like a million times. At the time too it was so exciting just that rock lyricists were now dealing with "serious" lyrical themes, albeit in a "fingerpainting on the walls" level compared to, like, actual literature. While everybody has gotten over that move decades ago, and even prog revivalists don't go around defending Richard Palmer-James as a poet, the combination of "lyrical sophistication" and "musical sophistication" are a huge part of what created the whole idea of "progress."

Weirdly, prog is pretty great anyway, but I've never agreed that rock critics who weren't impressed at the time were totally wrong about that, because there was a lot of bogus shit wrapped up that we've forgiven and forgotten over the decades.

deacon jones

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