I would say that and almost did earlier. And Todd/Utopia too.
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 28 August 2015 13:21 (eight years ago) link
CAPTAIN BEEFHEART is prog too and so are the DECEMBERISTS. there's a lot of good american prog out there despite uptight rock critic dogma
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:01 (eight years ago) link
I guess Zappa, Dylan (at least lyrically) and Vanilla Fudge had some of the greatest influence on the development of the genre. Alongside some of the electric jazz of the late 60s and various bits of Avant Garde?modern classical stuff from the States. With Beefheart, Todd and a number of hippy era things coming a little behind that possibly.
― Stevolende, Friday, 28 August 2015 14:14 (eight years ago) link
Jim was CIA, as were all the other Laurel Canyon children of military-industrial complex, everyone knows this by now! ;)
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 28 August 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link
#STRANGEDAYSMONO#JIM#DOORSRULE
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:22 (eight years ago) link
also as far as the doors not being influential to prog - who was doing heavy classical music organ workouts a la the long version of "light my fire"? you think rick wakeman didn't pay attn to that?
Johnny Ramone said in a late interview the only good American band of the 60s was the DoorsIggy Pop was huge doors fan.
The two men most responsible for American punk love the Doors.
i.e. as I said up thread the Doors are punk and prog.
Jim is all
ride the snake
you're all.....................SLAVES
*ghost dance*
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:25 (eight years ago) link
#JimInSchenectady
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:26 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o68a87bOr2A
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:28 (eight years ago) link
I feel like I'm in a timewarp and back in the ILM of 10 years ago when EVERYTHING was being described as prog.
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:47 (eight years ago) link
sonic boom exhumed jimbo not all that long ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0r0kVY8wN4
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link
Pretty sure the doors are British iirc
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link
only if ian astbury counts
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:57 (eight years ago) link
he does
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:59 (eight years ago) link
still trying to figure out why people think it's impressive to make a point of disliking prog. keith levene was steve howe's roadie
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 15:00 (eight years ago) link
The Doors are punk becuz they covered X before it was cool
The Doors are prog becuz they covered Soft Parade before it was cool
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 August 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link
the doors are balearic because of "touch me" babe. HELIUM is good american prog, like the JICKS, SUFJAN STEVENS, MARNIE STERN, HIS NAME IS ALIVE, TELEVISION, and EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link
When can Americans admit that we prog?
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 August 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xillqqt0Y0
― lil urbane (Jordan), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link
into this world we're thrown
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
RIP odesses
― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link
I'm with Andy Partridge on this one, The Doors were no fun.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOiACbZIhec
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link
(xp) Hold on there, aren't you a Stranglers fan?
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:43 (eight years ago) link
the Stranglers are hilarious
― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link
So are the Doors!
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link
i forgot, i guess jim's voice can really turn people off. that's legit.
― brimstead, Friday, 28 August 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, August 28, 2015 12:36 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Andy Patridge is definitely a world-class expert on being no fun
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 August 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
not intentionally (at least not that I can tell - Jim's stage banter could be amusing)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
the doors are ridulous and ridiculously awesome it doesn't matter what they meant
lots of ppl in this thread aren't very good at being fans of rock music step your game up
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 August 2015 18:02 (eight years ago) link
red are the arms of luxuriant chairs
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link
Guy who wrote "Dear God" accuses leather trouser'd beer swigging ham of not being fun
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 August 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig-ZoUQKst4
― rushomancy, Friday, 28 August 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEk2zJ3jpuM
― rushomancy, Friday, 28 August 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
If we need more Doors fans, Julian Cope said they were his favourite band and Michael Gira likes em too.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 28 August 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link
Guy who wrote "Dear God"
Most important member of The Doorks.
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 28 August 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link
"Fairy Killer" is tremendous in my opinion.
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 28 August 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
I guess Mahavishnu Orchestra, Battles, Todd Rundgren, Utopia, Zappa, and Cairo are my favourites American ones so far. Throw in some metal like Cynic and Death.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 28 August 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
The Mahavishnu Orchestra were only 40% American.
― Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 28 August 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
Never thought of it before, but prog-ish bands helped keep classic-rock radio a lasting thing: Rush, Moody Blues, maybe Doors, breaking up the major keys and bar blues.
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 28 August 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link
BOSTON, CHICAGO, KANSAS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCACYgvMgHQ&list=PLoRNXsrOuZ-VVB4IGR2RxJi33O1U3Mgwu
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link
RIP odesses― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 17:21 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 17:21 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ah, I see!
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, 28 August 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link
haha did not mean to imply that oddesses was a sock of mine (although I can see how our names might lend that impression), just that he appears to have left and not come back
― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link
the answer you seek lies in the admin log
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link
If the Doors were a band today they'd be called DOOOOOOOORS and their logo would be a pizza. Prog.
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:08 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, I actually don't mind The Doors, but I have to be in the correct mood to listen to them, if I'm not, then they do have a tendency to grate on me a bit... and yes, they were quite a huge influence on The Stranglers - Hugh Cornwell and Jean-Jacques Burnel in particular were huge fans, although interestingly the keyboard player much less so, he was more into British prog bands like Camel. The story goes is that when The Stranglers' keyboardist joined the band (he was the last person to join the "classic" line-up), he was coming up with all these Doors-like licks and Cornwell and Burnel were like "this guy is just like Ray Manzarek!" and the keyboardist, Dave Greenfield, asked "who is Ray Manzarek?" - Cornwell and Burnel liked this and were like "okay, it's by accident - even better!" ... Having said that, the approach they took on their cover of 'Walk On By' is definitely Doors-like, with the keyboard and guitar solos and the way it vamps on a couple of chords in the middle for a while quite like how 'Light My Fire' does.
It's undoubtedly going to sound sacrilegious to some, but if I had to choose between listening to a Stranglers record or a Doors record any time of day, any day of the week, I would definitely choose to listen to a Stranglers record, without a doubt.
The Andy Partridge quote about The Doors being "no fun" comes from an interview he did when he was trying to explain the difference between British psychedelia and American psychedelia, about how British psychedelia came across as being far more lighthearted (think stuff like the second side of Ogden's Nut Gone Flake, or Sgt. Pepper's), whereas the Americans approached psychedelia from a more serious angle. The American stuff was far more tense, whereas the British stuff was more "dropped some acid in the park and laughed as we ate a splendid cream bun" etc.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, 28 August 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
haha did not mean to imply that oddesses was a sock of mine (although I can see how our names might lend that impression), just that he appears to have left and not come back― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:02 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkthe answer you seek lies in the admin log― slothroprhymes, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:03 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:02 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:03 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Nah, don't worry, Οὖτις, I never thought that for a second... it was more that I saw your post, checked the admin log, and was like "ah, right!"
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, 28 August 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link
Partridge generally otm there imo
― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link
ah now it is my turn to see
xp
― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link
Billy Cobham was born in Panama so technically Mahavishnu where 20% American. \pedantry
― 29 facepalms, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link
Panama is not and never has been part of America\uberpedant
― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link