The Doors are a PROGRESSIVE BAND, one of the best ones and they are American

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I would say that and almost did earlier. And Todd/Utopia too.

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 28 August 2015 13:21 (eight years ago) link

CAPTAIN BEEFHEART is prog too and so are the DECEMBERISTS. there's a lot of good american prog out there despite uptight rock critic dogma

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:01 (eight years ago) link

I guess Zappa, Dylan (at least lyrically) and Vanilla Fudge had some of the greatest influence on the development of the genre. Alongside some of the electric jazz of the late 60s and various bits of Avant Garde?modern classical stuff from the States.
With Beefheart, Todd and a number of hippy era things coming a little behind that possibly.

Stevolende, Friday, 28 August 2015 14:14 (eight years ago) link

Jim was CIA, as were all the other Laurel Canyon children of military-industrial complex, everyone knows this by now! ;)

Iago Galdston, Friday, 28 August 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link

#STRANGEDAYSMONO
#JIM
#DOORSRULE

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:22 (eight years ago) link

also as far as the doors not being influential to prog - who was doing heavy classical music organ workouts a la the long version of "light my fire"? you think rick wakeman didn't pay attn to that?

Johnny Ramone said in a late interview the only good American band of the 60s was the Doors
Iggy Pop was huge doors fan.

The two men most responsible for American punk love the Doors.

i.e. as I said up thread the Doors are punk and prog.

Jim is all

ride the snake

you're all.....................SLAVES

*ghost dance*

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:25 (eight years ago) link

#JimInSchenectady

... (Eazy), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:26 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o68a87bOr2A

... (Eazy), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:28 (eight years ago) link

I feel like I'm in a timewarp and back in the ILM of 10 years ago when EVERYTHING was being described as prog.

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:47 (eight years ago) link

sonic boom exhumed jimbo not all that long ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0r0kVY8wN4

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link

Pretty sure the doors are British iirc

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link

only if ian astbury counts

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:57 (eight years ago) link

he does

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 28 August 2015 14:59 (eight years ago) link

still trying to figure out why people think it's impressive to make a point of disliking prog. keith levene was steve howe's roadie

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 15:00 (eight years ago) link

The Doors are punk becuz they covered X before it was cool

The Doors are prog becuz they covered Soft Parade before it was cool

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 August 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link

the doors are balearic because of "touch me" babe. HELIUM is good american prog, like the JICKS, SUFJAN STEVENS, MARNIE STERN, HIS NAME IS ALIVE, TELEVISION, and EXPLOSIONS IN THE SKY

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link

When can Americans admit that we prog?

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 August 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xillqqt0Y0

lil urbane (Jordan), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link

into this world we're thrown

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link

RIP odesses

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link

I'm with Andy Partridge on this one, The Doors were no fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOiACbZIhec

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link

(xp) Hold on there, aren't you a Stranglers fan?

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:43 (eight years ago) link

the Stranglers are hilarious

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link

So are the Doors!

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 28 August 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link

i forgot, i guess jim's voice can really turn people off. that's legit.

brimstead, Friday, 28 August 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link

I'm with Andy Partridge on this one, The Doors were no fun.

― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, August 28, 2015 12:36 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Andy Patridge is definitely a world-class expert on being no fun

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 August 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link

So are the Doors!

not intentionally (at least not that I can tell - Jim's stage banter could be amusing)

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link

the doors are ridulous and ridiculously awesome it doesn't matter what they meant

lots of ppl in this thread aren't very good at being fans of rock music step your game up

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 August 2015 18:02 (eight years ago) link

red are the arms of luxuriant chairs

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link

Guy who wrote "Dear God" accuses leather trouser'd beer swigging ham of not being fun

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 August 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig-ZoUQKst4

rushomancy, Friday, 28 August 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEk2zJ3jpuM

rushomancy, Friday, 28 August 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link

If we need more Doors fans, Julian Cope said they were his favourite band and Michael Gira likes em too.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 28 August 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link

Guy who wrote "Dear God"

Most important member of The Doorks.

... (Eazy), Friday, 28 August 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link

"Fairy Killer" is tremendous in my opinion.

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 28 August 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link

I guess Mahavishnu Orchestra, Battles, Todd Rundgren, Utopia, Zappa, and Cairo are my favourites American ones so far. Throw in some metal like Cynic and Death.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 28 August 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link

The Mahavishnu Orchestra were only 40% American.

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 28 August 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link

Never thought of it before, but prog-ish bands helped keep classic-rock radio a lasting thing: Rush, Moody Blues, maybe Doors, breaking up the major keys and bar blues.

... (Eazy), Friday, 28 August 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link

BOSTON, CHICAGO, KANSAS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCACYgvMgHQ&list=PLoRNXsrOuZ-VVB4IGR2RxJi33O1U3Mgwu

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 August 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link

RIP odesses

― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 17:21 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah, I see!

haha did not mean to imply that oddesses was a sock of mine (although I can see how our names might lend that impression), just that he appears to have left and not come back

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link

the answer you seek lies in the admin log

slothroprhymes, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link

If the Doors were a band today they'd be called DOOOOOOOORS and their logo would be a pizza. Prog.

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:08 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I actually don't mind The Doors, but I have to be in the correct mood to listen to them, if I'm not, then they do have a tendency to grate on me a bit... and yes, they were quite a huge influence on The Stranglers - Hugh Cornwell and Jean-Jacques Burnel in particular were huge fans, although interestingly the keyboard player much less so, he was more into British prog bands like Camel. The story goes is that when The Stranglers' keyboardist joined the band (he was the last person to join the "classic" line-up), he was coming up with all these Doors-like licks and Cornwell and Burnel were like "this guy is just like Ray Manzarek!" and the keyboardist, Dave Greenfield, asked "who is Ray Manzarek?" - Cornwell and Burnel liked this and were like "okay, it's by accident - even better!" ... Having said that, the approach they took on their cover of 'Walk On By' is definitely Doors-like, with the keyboard and guitar solos and the way it vamps on a couple of chords in the middle for a while quite like how 'Light My Fire' does.

It's undoubtedly going to sound sacrilegious to some, but if I had to choose between listening to a Stranglers record or a Doors record any time of day, any day of the week, I would definitely choose to listen to a Stranglers record, without a doubt.

The Andy Partridge quote about The Doors being "no fun" comes from an interview he did when he was trying to explain the difference between British psychedelia and American psychedelia, about how British psychedelia came across as being far more lighthearted (think stuff like the second side of Ogden's Nut Gone Flake, or Sgt. Pepper's), whereas the Americans approached psychedelia from a more serious angle. The American stuff was far more tense, whereas the British stuff was more "dropped some acid in the park and laughed as we ate a splendid cream bun" etc.


haha did not mean to imply that oddesses was a sock of mine (although I can see how our names might lend that impression), just that he appears to have left and not come back

― Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:02 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the answer you seek lies in the admin log

― slothroprhymes, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:03 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nah, don't worry, Οὖτις, I never thought that for a second... it was more that I saw your post, checked the admin log, and was like "ah, right!"

Partridge generally otm there imo

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link

ah now it is my turn to see

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link

Billy Cobham was born in Panama so technically Mahavishnu where 20% American.
\pedantry

29 facepalms, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link

Panama is not and never has been part of America
\uberpedant

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 August 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link


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