aw man, i just ordered it! was wavering between this one and the lou cannon book.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 31 August 2015 05:41 (eight years ago) link
"In the context of the stuff I’ve been thinking about today Perlstein is a fascinating writer, a liberal writing Whig history as horror, where the placid teleology of progressivism is recast as the docile idiocy of teenagers in a slasher flick, with Perlstein in the audience shaking his head as liberal America insists on skinny dipping at midnight or just going to see what that noise in the cellar was."
Ha! (from http://tomewing.tumblr.com/post/144218061581/llcooljasonalexander-bowiesongs-tomewing )
― etc, Thursday, 12 May 2016 00:06 (eight years ago) link
Leave me alone! I'm submitting my REAGANLAND manuscript on April 15!— Rick Perlstein (@rickperlstein) March 4, 2019
― mookieproof, Monday, 4 March 2019 20:58 (five years ago) link
Excellent. Where does Reaganland end? The hallowed Reagan basically holds sway over the party right up till 2016, although I think Perlstein could end this volume earlier and start Trumpland before Trump actually steps to the fore. Palin would be a good place to start the one after the new one, or maybe all the insanity around Gingrich (and, to a lesser degree, Herman Cain) in 2012. Gingrich's debate showdown with John King would be a good beginning for Trumpland.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 00:17 (five years ago) link
His books typically don’t cover more than a handful of years iirc so I’d be very surprised if this one went beyond ‘88, if it even goes that deep
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 02:45 (five years ago) link
Next Up: Poppy Bush Interzoneland.
(My phone's auto-complete correctly offered both Bush and then Interzone after typing Poppy)
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:00 (five years ago) link
Bushland actually would make sense for '88 to Jeb's coronation in the summer of 2015 (even if that all exists in the shadow of Reaganland and involves a lot of the same people). In any event, looks like he's making this series his life's work. Hope I'm around long enough for the whole thing.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:05 (five years ago) link
I'm ready to write it as soon as I figure out how to weave Roxette into it.
― Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:13 (five years ago) link
Reaganland will be 1976-1980.
― Ari (whenuweremine), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 03:21 (five years ago) link
Bushland: It Must Have Been Love, But It's Over Now
― my future think tank (stevie), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 10:13 (five years ago) link
Wasn't '76-80 The Invisible Bridge?
― clemenza, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 12:16 (five years ago) link
It ends at the '76 convention.
― Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 12:20 (five years ago) link
My memory's going--could have sworn it ended with Reagan's election. That's kind of weird, then, if Reaganland ends in '80; it's more like Prelude to Reaganland.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 12:26 (five years ago) link
He just picked vice president GEORGEHe's goin' to Reaganlaaaaand
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 13:09 (five years ago) link
can't wait for 200 pages about the Panama Canal Treaty
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
I have never read any of the Perlsteins--best to start at the beginning or...?
― rob, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link
I found it to be so. Haven't read Invisible Bridge yet but it sounds like it continues directly on from the first two. I'd long sought a clear summary of the conservative hijacking of the GOP and the Goldwater book was everything I could've asked for on that front.
― Gary Ornmigh, Heywood's son (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:17 (five years ago) link
I bet many people have read the last two but not the first (Before the Storm, mostly focused on Goldwater and '64)--which is still my favourite of the three, in no small part because I read it against the backdrop of the 2008 election.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:25 (five years ago) link
Nixonland is downright eerie against today's backdrop.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:27 (five years ago) link
Sorry, missed OL's post just before mine.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:28 (five years ago) link
Before the Storm is the best so yes, start there
clemenza unless Perlstein has cheanged his mind recently this will be the last volume
I’m thinking it will end with the 84 landslide like nixonland did with 72
― sciatica, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:36 (five years ago) link
idgi wasn’t his last book the reagan one
― flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:37 (five years ago) link
they’re all the reagan one
― sciatica, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:46 (five years ago) link
i saw perlstein speak at a book signing a couple years ago, he said the next book would end with reagan's election and that he had no plans to write any further books in the "series."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:57 (five years ago) link
i thought that was interesting because i don't really think of reagan as dominating the culture pre-1980 in the way he did as president -- but an argument that america slowly became "reaganland" in the years leading up to his election, that the slow backlash against the 60s and liberalism made his presidency possible, yeah, i could see that.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:00 (five years ago) link
he had no plans to write any further books in the "series."
tf else is he gonna do
― flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:31 (five years ago) link
maybe work on his music idk
― Number None, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 19:32 (five years ago) link
He'd probably do well to stop--the transformation from Reagan to Trump has been covered to death by now, and in many different ways.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link
https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--YRHwQ3ru--/t_Resized%20Artwork/c_crop,x_10,y_10/c_fit,w_470/c_crop,g_north_west,h_626,w_470,x_0,y_0/g_north_west,u_upload:v1462829015:production:blanks:mtl53ofohwq5goqjo9ke,x_-395,y_-325/b_rgb:eeeeee/c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1527645092/production/designs/2736516_0.jpg
― Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 20:48 (five years ago) link
someone buy me that t-shirt so I can wipe my arse on it
― my future think tank (stevie), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:19 (five years ago) link
Or at least put 'WATCH FOR ARMED DOTARDS' in a US flag font across the top.
― Gary Ornmigh, Heywood's son (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:47 (five years ago) link
Anyone else here start in on Reaganland?
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 00:35 (three years ago) link
shut your mouth
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 00:38 (three years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/books/review/reaganland-rick-perlstein.html
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 00:39 (three years ago) link
I'm balking at the $55 cost.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 00:48 (three years ago) link
Got mine on Sunday, I’m 85 pages in. Probably need about a three month head start to finish before Alfred.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 04:32 (three years ago) link
My copy arrives tomorrow. Race you!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 09:30 (three years ago) link
Why did you have to make it racist?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 12:34 (three years ago) link
hard to believe the publisher passed on that as a title for the series as a whole
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 12:52 (three years ago) link
Heh. "From Goldwater to Reagan: The Rise of Conservatism in America, or, Why Did You Have to Make It Racist?"
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 12:56 (three years ago) link
Where's the Racist of Me?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:07 (three years ago) link
Who Moved My Racism?
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
Racist Soup for the Soul
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
Racist to the Bottom
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
Girl, Wash Your Racism
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link
President Keyes delivers the lol.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link
This piece from 2012 is just scarily on the mark for current era. And. as we look towards Romney's potential role during the Biden administration, a good reminder about Romney's past. https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-con
― that's not my post, Saturday, 5 December 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link
Reading this now. I find these books to be oddly comforting. The parallels to whatever is going on now to, say, West Virginia in 1972 makes me think "this country has always been insane". This one, yes, but especially Nixonland. The 70s were fucking ~insane~.
― j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Saturday, 29 October 2022 14:53 (one year ago) link
Most interesting insane decade ever.
Still holding out hope for a bringing-it-all-back-home final book.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link
The 70s were fucking ~insane~.
Living through the 70s is what formed all the now-insane boomers.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 29 October 2022 17:29 (one year ago) link