What acts have had a huge selling album and the follow up sells far less yet is critically favoured by fans and music critics? (Every Huge Artist Has A Tusk)

The Dreaming yeah that's a winner for this.

maybe Macca's 'RAM' too but fuck knows what 'McCartney' did sales-wise in 1970 by comparison.

Catchups:

Re low end theory: Really? OK..

Re I'm in you: nor Frampton, right?

ok, carry on..

Kate Bush, The Dreaming

― Tim F, Sunday, September 6, 2015 11:51 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

which album did that follow?

― Cosmic Slop, Sunday, September 6, 2015 3:52 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Never For Ever, which had three hit singles and was I think the first number one album by a female artist in the UK?

I suppose it looks a bit odd b/c KB commercially rebounded so strongly with Hounds of Love, though FM did as well subsequently with Tango In The Night (albeit I assume not to Rumours level).

Maybe that was true in the UK, but The Dreaming was the beginning of Kate Bush having a footprint in the US. Her earlier albums were import only here anyway.

Being double albums, I imagine Tusk, Exile on Main Street and Quadrophenia were bound to sell fewer copies than their illustrious predecessors. Probably the White Album too.

I was about to ask if it was all that common for a double album to outsell its predecessor until I realized that The Who did it with Tommy. (See also: 1999, London Calling)

Blowout Comb

well, if we count the White Album as the follow up to MMT, it certainly has outsold it.

I think "Yellow Submarine" came out just before the White Album, still though ...

"Berlin" following "Transformer"? Arguable.

Though "Berlin" was a Top 10 album in the UK.

Yeezus

MMT wasn't an album in the UK. we got a crap 'double EP' instead. maybe also in the rest of Europe? i think the album was originally a US only deal.

Being double albums, I imagine Tusk, Exile on Main Street and Quadrophenia were bound to sell fewer copies than their illustrious predecessors. Probably the White Album too.

This has me wondering, when did the RIAA or whoever start counting the sale of a double LP as two units?

Blowout Comb is a good one

Lana Del Rey Ultraviolence fits, or it will when that record becomes a cult favorite

The Final Cut?

MGMT- Congratulations is developing a cult following

I Want You wasn't Marvin Gaye's biggest seller, but Here, My Dear sold far less, and its critical rep has grown by leaps and bounds since its release.

Another point for Here, My Dear was it came on the heels of "Got To Give It Up", which was one of Gaye's biggest singles (and last #1 Pop hit).

"Sexual healing" wasn't a #1?

Nope, topped out at #3 Pop.

More Specials

Oh yeah.

Insomniac - Green Day

Adore - the Smashing Pumpkins
Tomboy - Panda Bear
Centipede Hz - Animal Collective
Gaucho - Steely Dan

Gaucho is loved now, but I guess RS loved it then.

this woulda been Hootie's Fairweather Johnson if that album hadn't sucked dogshit

not buying Adore tbh - sure there's probably some fans who rate it over Mellon Collie? but every album is some fans' favorite, and generally i think the consensus would be, at best, that Adore is an interesting and underrated album that didn't get its fair shake (etc. etc.) but how many people who are really Smashing Pumpkins fans would say "yeah, it's definitely better than MCIS"?

Gaucho is loved now, but I guess RS loved it then.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, September 7, 2015 7:00 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

RS may have loved it in 1980/1981, but The New Rolling Stone Record Guide (or, specifically, Dave Marsh, writing in 1983) hated it:

...the kind of music that passes for jazz in Holiday Inn lounges, with the kind of lyrics that pass for poetry in freshman English classes. Donald Fagen's solo LP is a far better bet.

To a really small extent, Blink 182 - Blink 182.

perhaps not 'far' less, but STP's Core sold 8 mill, Purple sold 2 mill less, but Core was despised by many critics, who viewed Purple as a superior album and less derivative.

what a garbage opinion on gaucho, the lyrics slay throughout

did people seriously used to take dave marsh seriously? i mean, look, rolling stone gave "the final cut" five stars, but everybody still hated it.

but how many people who are really Smashing Pumpkins fans would say "yeah, it's definitely better than MCIS"?

hey

Uh, guys.

FOLIE A DEUX

Hissing of Summer Lawns arguably also counts, though perhaps more on ILM than amongst critics/fans generally.

I assume Rickie Lee Jones' Pirates also sold a lot less than her debut.

Fiona's When the Pawn...

Terence Trent D'Arby - Neither Fish Nor Flesh

did people seriously used to take dave marsh seriously? i mean, look, rolling stone gave "the final cut" five stars, but everybody still hated it.

Marsh didn't write the RS review of The Final Cut; that was Kurt Loder. Marsh had left RS by that point.

re TTD, I thought that everyone loved Symphony or Damn rather than Neither Fish Nor Flesh?

Aqua - Aquarius

Rihanna - Rated R

ha -- I just wrote about the Symphony non-phenomenon

Er...

re: In Utero, "its still a fan favourite and at the time people did prefer it." i'm sure some people did, but that hardly would've been a consensus.

not an anglo/am example but the japanese epitome of this would be shiina ringo's masterpiece: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalk_Samen_Kuri_no_Hana

There isn't really a critical consensus around 'Tusk' vs 'Rumours' either so let's not pretend this thread premise has much basis in reality.

Fleetwood Mac - best album (a poll)

Not kidding!

but how many people who are really Smashing Pumpkins fans would say "yeah, it's definitely better than MCIS"?

hey

― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Monday, September 7, 2015 9:04 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

enough SP fans prefer adore for it to qualify. critical consensus has softened, it's considered their last masterwork now.

does Field Day qualify?

xps

kinks following up lola, which at the time was their big comeback album, with muswell hillbillies probably fits here.

A measly 9.2, Rumours the p4k gave http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/21924-tusk/

p4k *fave that is

one of the better written reviews I've read lately imo