Guitar Hero: Nu-Who Season 9

* Didn't Davros die in season 4? Couldn't they have at least added a line of dialogue explaining how he survived?

He died in Season 12 and Season 21 as well - not as often as the Master, but it's entirely in character for him to show up again and again as well (to ever-diminishing returns).

* In season 6 destroying the TARDIS made the whole universe implode.

I don't remember this?

Here it gets destroyed too, but nothing like that happens?

I suspect there's the faintest outlying chance that it's possible that it hasn't really been destroyed.

"Bad Wolf" featured Rose getting "disintegrated", only she was actually teleported by the Daleks elsewhere, so it's not really straining credibility to think the same thing happened with Missy, Clara and the TARDIS had the same thing happen to them.

Fake-killing major characters repeatedly is only slightly better than RTD's old 'someone will definitely diiiie!' thing and then later being all like 'ah I meant like inside, aaaahaha'.

Honestly I'm impressed Danny has stayed dead for as long as he has

^^^

Aw, dammit. NO MORE SEXY DOCTORS

Wait was Capaldi sexy this episode?

I'm wondering if the police box/chamelon circuit interface thing for a TARDIS that actually exists in a different dimension has anything to do with what was destroyed, if anything actually was. Just wondering if the only thing that has been destroyed is the interface from tis dimension to the one that the main part of the TARDIS exists in.
Trying to remember what was said when #9 was around and Rose met her dad, that wound up with an empty police box with no TARDIS inside. Had the interior ceased to be or just the interface/dimensional portal that allows one to access the interior?

Also been wondering with the interior of the TARDIS being in a different dimension to the visible exterior, is it understood that the interior moves alongside the exterior every time that moves. Or is it more static with the exterior being the only thing moving?
Or if it is the latter purely because it would be a conventional thought process that a spaceship be thought to move as one when the TARDIS is a more complex phenomenon.
Is it a pocket universe integrally tied to the exterior that is visible in this universe?
Or is it all a studio convenience for getting a British actor from point a in a story to point b?

* In season 6 destroying the TARDIS made the whole universe implode.

I don't remember this?

Sorry, I mean season 5, not season 6. The whole thing with the stars disappearing and the universe imploding until only Earth is left in the season finale is explained to have happened because the Silence blew up the TARDIS.

Wait was Capaldi sexy this episode?

No, I'm comparing his numbers to Tennant/Smith and hoping he doesn't get replaced with Robert Pattinson or some other nonsense

i'm hoping for harry styles myself

bring back Colin Baker

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-T0MwZn9QgiM/VAMSDcTXJsI/AAAAAAAAETI/LL4CQegOF74/s1600/seventies_porn_colin.jpg

The whole thing with the stars disappearing and the universe imploding until only Earth is left in the season finale is explained to have happened because the Silence blew up the TARDIS.

Take your pick: they blew up the inside of the TARDIS near a known point of time flux, with the doors hacked open, releasing ~time energy~ into that focal point; it was actually their attempt to stop the Doctor reaching Trenzalore by blowing up the TARDIS that generated the entire paradox that created the cracks in the universe, which are what actually 'imploded' everything; it's not really blown up and we'll find out next week.

THere is an episode in the Christopher Ecclestone series where he takes Rose back in time to her parents wedding day. Because the timeline gets changed the forces controlling the Universe release a number of dark, winged creatures that are supposed to clean up time paradoxes.
The TARDIS also winds up as an empty Police box either with the contents destroyed or the interface between them and the dimensional portal that is the TARDIS door being disconnected. I can't remember which. But think either way that there being a physical remnant being left is weird physics.
I still don't really understand the interdimensional connectivity of what is externally visible in the universe the outside is seen in and the dimension that the inside is in.
Would think that if things were being worked out now there would be no need for the interior to actually need to physically move with the outside since it is in another dimension anyway, so could remain statically placed in whatever dimension that was with the outside being projected in whatever location it needed to be. But assume that since it is conventional for a vehicle to move as one, it has always been assumed that the interior of the Tardis is moving with its external portal. Which seems to be more rooted in convention than necessity as far as I can see.
Or is the interior a pocket universe physically dependent on the exterior so needing to move around with it?
Rather than the exterior being a somehow solidified projection from the interior?

I'm wondering if the thing that the Daleks exterminated in the Magician's Apprentice was no more than the visible exterior of something that was actually elsewhere. Which would also tally with the idea that the TARDIS could only be destroyed from inside since it's outside is merely a projection. It has been described as nearly indestructible before hasn't it? Certainly if one is trying to do so from outside.

Or, right, the TARDIS being just a telephone box is an excellent scare which Billie Piper played well off, and that's as far as thought there went (quite rightly).

That episode has the box left as an empty wooden shell with no internal TARDIS. Eccleston goes to unlock the TARDIS, does so and finds the interior missing but a wooden looking structure remaining. I'll have to rewatch it but haven't had time to yet.
Just thinking that if the exterior of the TARDIS is something that is projected from the interior, it should vanish if the inside disappears.
But wondering what of the TARDIS is in the location of the adventure. The Chameleon circuit projects a disguise onto a something which I don't think has ever been shown as a default factory setting version. Or is it all a projection from the dimension that the interior is in?

Obviously in 1963 when the show started there was a need for a location to say the doctor lived in, also a way that he got around from adventure to adventure. So the production team came up with a prop that they worked out could combine both purposes. That prop in turn became iconic and a trademark image of the show. It only appears to be later that the idea of its interior and how it traveled through space was worked out. So subsequently I wonder to what degree that would have been changed if the logistics were worked out in tandem from scratch instead of being details that accumulated to an existing image/prop?
Also not fully conversant with what is understood of the way things supposedly work in a supposed real world setting. Can see stepping into the TARDIS is stepping across a dimensional portal but as to how that works, if the TARDIS Interior is a dimension of its own or what. Just been half thinking that if it is a different dimension then a dimension is a continuous expanse that it would be moving around inside of.

Is it a police box that the first Doctor is seen nicking when Clara interrupts him?

If it is it's a stupid mistake on the part of the production team who made that episode. It should only look like hat when it gets to earth of a certain era.
The master has a similar vehicle that has gone through a number of different looks. & Colin Baker fixed the chameleon circuit and transformed the TARDIS Into a keyboard instrument and something else.
I don't think there is any kind of fixed dimensions range for the size of the interface. It doesn't need to be this size by this size, it is obviously more convenient if the size of opening is convenient for the size of the occupant to fit through.
People have been wondering how they fit a tank through the doors for one to appear in that medieval scene. I've been wondering if there is a need for the TARDIS's chameleon circuit disguised depiction to actually be of a size to contain the size of portal needed or if it just needs to be a placeholder so that the Timelord knows where his portal is located. It is going to be easier for a tv production team on a fixed budget to depict that process as a hole/doorway/whatever that an actor can enter than to rig up a way of depicting a portal in open space, at least it would be until the technology available to them caught up with their imaginations.

Well, the TARDIS itself can change size - very large in that Trenzalore story, very small in that excellent living graffiti one from last year - though both were seen as a malfunction, I think.

If the physical police box TARDIS was simply something to the "real" TARDIS, which exists in another dimension, projects to our plane, that wouldn't explain the times TARDIS has been stolen or is otherwise missing, and the Doctor can't use it. Shouldn't the TARDIS then be able to project the physical box anywhere the Doctor is, and it would therefore be impossible for him to lose it?

I'm not sure that the Doctor can have more than one interface working at a time. So if the physical manifestation of that interface is moved, the Doctor's access to the interior is subsequently limited.
To a certain extent I'd think a lot of that would be down to convention thanks to the prop being what it is. A wooden box that is therefore tangible and thought to be the object possessing an interior, rather than just the physical manifestation of an access to an interior that lay elsewhere. Also the idea that if this object is placed here it is here at this point until it is somehow moved somewhere else. Locked in place, would think that if it was designed now he'd be able to call it to him by some device attached to his keys, if he can't already do that. But that is a development on convention and culture from the early 60s.

Not really sure of the supposed reality of the thing, have seen mapped layouts of the conventional layout of a tardis interior and comment about the exterior other than that represented in this case by a police box. Would like something like that Hayes manual that they have the tshirt of to see how the thing was actually supposed to work.

From my understanding the spectrum of possibilities for the appearance of the exterior is nearly boundless both in shape and size. But is presumably going to need to be within a certain range to be depicted for a tv audience. also to be something that is not outlandishly unrecognisable since it both needs to blend in to its surroundings and be recognisable/familiar to its target audience.
& it's only what was current at the time that designated the police box was picked. & it is only relevant to a number of years in the history of the UK that that form would be relevant. i was wondering how much they proliferated around the Uk at the time the show first appeared and also how long it took before they weren't around much anymore. Tegan seems to recognise the purpose of one beside a road in the late 70s/early 80s but I don't think they were in use then. Just occurring to me that the first time we see the famous one it is located in a scrap yard, they weren't already on the way out in the early 60s were they?

But that is a development on convention and culture from the early 60s.

There's probably plenty the TARDIS can do that the Doctor never does with it because he doesn't know how to, it's broken, or he's just got his habits/disdain for Time Lord tech/contrariness. Same goes for the writers, I guess.

I was trying to remember if Smith actually did call the TARDIS to him remotely on a few occasions. I think he did.
He certainly had it relocate to him at the end of the episode with the ice Warrior in the Russian submarine.
Which is probably not something people would have thought of doing 30 years ago.

Am just thinking that there is a lot probably dictated by visual and dramatic convention and the idea that you don't want to move too fast for the audience.
Convention is pretty inevitably going to change over time though.

Presumably Time Lords have mastered teleportation, which would make being captured by bad guys basically a non-issue and reduce the total running time of the average Doctor Who episode by about 75%.

The Chameleon circuit projects a disguise onto a something which I don't think has ever been shown as a default factory setting version.

It has, both in TARDIS and SIDRAT.

It only appears to be later that the idea of its interior and how it traveled through space was worked out. So subsequently I wonder to what degree that would have been changed if the logistics were worked out in tandem from scratch instead of being details that accumulated to an existing image/prop?

I think it's less than 90 seconds after the first sight of the TARDIS interior where the Doctor explains to Ian exactly how the interior's relation to the exterior functions. (He says "bcz television.")

If it is it's a stupid mistake on the part of the production team who made that episode. It should only look like hat when it gets to earth of a certain era.

It doesn't, it's not, and there's no reason to assume they're stupid.

The master has a similar vehicle that has gone through a number of different looks.

The Master has a TARDIS; I guess that's pretty similar to a TARDIS. The "different looks" are the result of the chameleon circuit functioning normally.

I don't think there is any kind of fixed dimensions range for the size of the interface. It doesn't need to be this size by this size, it is obviously more convenient if the size of opening is convenient for the size of the occupant to fit through.

The Doctor jacked the dimensional control from the Monk's TARDIS in The Time Meddler, leaving the interior too small to enter from its current exterior disguise.

Would like something like that Hayes manual that they have the tshirt of to see how the thing was actually supposed to work.

What is a "Hayes manual", who are "they", what T-shirt are you talking about, and what "thing" are you talking about?

i was wondering how much they proliferated around the Uk at the time the show first appeared and also how long it took before they weren't around much anymore. Tegan seems to recognise the purpose of one beside a road in the late 70s/early 80s but I don't think they were in use then. Just occurring to me that the first time we see the famous one it is located in a scrap yard, they weren't already on the way out in the early 60s were they?

I believe they stopped making new ones in the early 60s, but as they'd been making them since the 1890s, and in the TARDIS-like design since 1929, there were plenty around the islands. They began to be phased out in the 70s.

I was trying to remember if Smith actually did call the TARDIS to him remotely on a few occasions. I think he did.
He certainly had it relocate to him at the end of the episode with the ice Warrior in the Russian submarine.
Which is probably not something people would have thought of doing 30 years ago.

He certainly did not have it relocate to him at the end of the episode with the Ice Warrior in the Russian submarine. That is the exact opposite of what happens at the end of that episode, where the HADS mistakenly rematerialises the TARDIS at the South Pole, and Smith and Clara have to ask for a lift to the exact opposite side of the planet.

If you mean people wouldn't have thought of the Doctor being incompetent enough to incorrectly fix part of the TARDIS 30 years ago, I point you at the entire history of the series. If you mean people wouldn't have thought to invent the HADS 30 years ago, I'll point out that Holmes did it 47 years ago.

When Davros was playing those old clips of him thru carefully edited 'Dalek surveillance footage' I was hoping the Doctor would say something like "oooh don't suppose you've got all of The Chase?!"

The Doctor would probably have the UK DVD, not the US, so he wouldn't need to ask.

Haynes guide to the TARDIS
http://secure.riptapparel.com/aff/C1AA3116252697012DB8AE9EA9051500/index.html

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/02/16/geek-gear-doctor-who-tardis-service-repair-manual
is the TARDIS Haynes manual tshirt. Based on the idea that there would be a similar manual to the TARDIS as there are to various motor vehicles. It only exists as a tshirt, I had see it as an image online before seeing what it actually was. I thought it was some show related book when I first saw it.

http://game-over-custom.deviantart.com/art/Shirt-TARDIS-Haynes-Manual-252258008 also

Liked Davros going on about predator and prey in the ecstasy of crisis

maaaan, that's a long bow even for you! xp

Since there are Haynes manuals for Gerry Anderson vehicles, having one for the Tardis would be a nice thing to have.
Haynes manuals are pretty handy. Rather well known too.

why would anybody want all of "the chase"? that one exists complete in the archive, and is additionally terrible. it's "power of the daleks" that everyone wants (and will probably never have- because of copyright squabbles over the daleks hardly any copies of that one or "evil of the daleks" were made)

i liked missy tickling the dalek's balls

THis is pretty interesting http://whoniverse.net/tardis
and in the absence of a physical haynes manual type book version answers some of the questions I had anyway.
THe haynes manuals now include a sci fi series including several craft from both Start Trek and Star Wars as well as Thunderbirds and a couple of other famous fantasy tropes.
https://haynes.co.uk/catalog/general-interest-manuals/sci-fi/imperial-death-star-manual
Would love something physical like that since I tend to read that type of thing in locations other than where my computer is.

I'm still wondering how 'real' an object that seems real to the touch in an infinite array of different sizes and shapes can be if its interior is elsewhere in as much as being in a different dimension can be.

11 Questions Every Doctor Who Fan Has Asked answered by Steven Moffat
http://www.buzzfeed.com/kmallikarjuna/questions-every-doctor-who-fan-has-answered-by-moffat#.cqdv3Moo5m

since its going around today and i don't think it's been up here so far.

those may be the least amusing gifs I've ever seen

It's... possible that was not their intent?

rushomancy for some reason I thought that was one of the stories with missing eps but will concede this joke attempt is not as amusing as whenever old clips of the show are aired on screens, holograms etc. in show anyway.

The scene with the Beatles is removed from US DVDs of The Chase but not UK; s'what I thought you meant

By the way, I'm assuming what's going to happen re: Clara is that the Doctor will try to kill young Davros in the past to save Clara from being exterminated in the present, but will not be able to, and Clara will then say 'No, I'll agree to be exterminated so that you can avoid killing Davros'.

Thought that was distinctly unbobbins apart from the sense at the end that nothing had changed re Davros and the Daleks - I was more into the idea he really would die (or even the TL/Dalek hybrid actually happening - tho perhaps Missy goes on to realise this idea - plus was this really the first Davros/Misster meeting??) as it doesn't seem like he's going to appear more often from now on and will the brilliant Julian Bleach be available in another seven years?

Much better this week. Bit of a 7/Ace vibe. What happened to Snake Man at the end?

that was cool except are the ~sunglasses~ really going to be a thing because waht

It did show the sunglasses in next week's clip at the end. Hope they're not permanent do seem a tad cheesy.
Wonder if this is a permanent new look for him, hoody & all. Do like that he's keeping the Victorian look for jacket and trousers. Though the trouser bottoms do seem overly drained.

People elsewhere are trying to compare speech ability between Clara as daleks. Her just wired into one here and unconsciously being one on her initial introduction in Asylum of The Daleks. I can't remember what of the latter was heard from outside the dalek, so not sure what was filtered into dalek terms. Hadn't realised there was quite that filter system, if there previously was. Is this an attempt to retrofit independent thought into daleks for future use?

The sunglasses are a bit Poochy, David Tennanty

* The Doctor is already responsible for countless deaths, right? So why would not saving one kid in the knowledge that he'll grow up to be Space Hitler be the one thing that makes the Doctor so ashamed he wants to die?

― Tuomas, Monday, September 21, 2015 8:09 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This was a better episode than the last one, but I'm still wondering about this... I thought it'd be revealed in this ep that the Doctor's guilt trip in the previous one was a fake-out, but apparently it was genuine? So the War Doctor (seemingly) commited a genocide of his own people and the Daleks, and yet Nine was able to live with that guilt, but here the Doctor refuses to save one kid (who's deadly situation had nothing to do with the Doctor, he simply refused to help Davros) to stop him from becoming the creator of the Daleks, and somehow that makes the Doctor feel so guilty he contemplates ending his life?

Also, it seemed the Daleks stole quite a lot of regeneration energy from the Doctor, shouldn't that mean something? Will this Doctor now have less regenerations than twelve?

Was it just version I viewed, or did this episode look incredibly murky and washed out of colour? I didn't like that at all, it made it feel like a "realistic" war movie or something, instead of sci-fi show about a time traveling alien in a police box.

lso, it seemed the Daleks stole quite a lot of regeneration energy from the Doctor, shouldn't that mean something? Will this Doctor now have less regenerations than twelve?
― Tuomas, Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:15 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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yeah I wondered about that. Assuming that he has another sequence of 12 regenerations does it take outof that. Also assumes that the Doctor always has the energy for whatever regenerations he will have to go through on him at all times. & I've not seen wheter or not that's ever been made clear. Only seems to come into play when he needs to regenerate so hard to tell. Never sure if it is something inherent to him or something he needs to tap into from some other source at the time of regeneration. Or that would normally only be there to tap into when he needs to regenerate. So need to rewatch this to see what triggered his ability to have it at hand, not sure what has happened just before his hand starts glowing green other than some spiel from Davros.

In Let's Save Hitler, River was able to give the Doctor her regeneration energy at will, so at least it's established one can do that... But yeah, I didn't like that solution either, it's too much a gamebreaker, basically it should mean the Doctor can save anyone who's about to die with a wave of his hand. And yet I'll bet we'll never see him actually do that, because it'd take away from the drama.

River had only just regenerated from Mel at the time though. So it would explain that there might be excess regenerative power or that the regenerative power source could be tapped into during a finite period around that regeneration (if I'm thinking right, since i just remembered that the show takes place over a broken time period, though Mel/River as the individual might just be the focus of where the regenerative power would be. So it would go back in time with her, can't remember at what point she regenerates there though).
& I can't remember if anything has actually physically happened to the Doctor in yesterday's episode other than him having listened to Davros. & the closest regeneration is a series and an unknown time interval away.