The noise scene now is mostly a rehash of shitty EBM and industrial, and is basically a bunch of dorks acting "cold" and "dark" or jerking off behind a table of gear.I miss the whole Hair Police/Air Conditioning/Sightings vibes where it looked/felt like a Black Flag show with dudes thrashing around on instruments and people sweating all over, but sounded like a garbage truck eating a smaller garbage truck. --posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten)
I miss the whole Hair Police/Air Conditioning/Sightings vibes where it looked/felt like a Black Flag show with dudes thrashing around on instruments and people sweating all over, but sounded like a garbage truck eating a smaller garbage truck. --posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten)
OTM
― flopson, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 11:22 (eight years ago) link
I am not sure they fit completely in regards to the intent of this thread, but one of the best live bands of that era without a doubt was USAisaMonster. One of the best shows I ever saw (again in that era) was a Lightning Bolt/USAisaMonster/White Mice/Ground Monkeys show in. But yeah, for me a list like this is pretty impossible to do.
Agree that Wolf Eyes was at its best with Dilloway. They seemed to get more ... cartoonish, or something, after he left.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 13:36 (eight years ago) link
"... in Richmond" that was supposed to say.
USAisaMonster was incredible, good call grandavis
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 14:29 (eight years ago) link
Bunnybrains!
I think Pissed Jeans just falls into this chronology too, but maybe they're more like Blood Brothers?
Torn between Prurient and Magik Markers, of the ones I know.
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 14:38 (eight years ago) link
And I guess JOMF is too eclectic to qualify, though some of their stuff certainly would.
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 14:39 (eight years ago) link
dudes don't really fit any "scene" and are like 60 but Borbetomagus was the most intense live act I ever saw
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link
feel like orthrelm also belong on here, but they may be too "metal" for this poll
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
Wish I has seen Magik Markers mark 1 a few more times live. Only saw them twice and it was totally great. Still love that band but the original trio sound was a really cool one.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link
I miss the whole Hair Police/Air Conditioning/Sightings vibes where it looked/felt like a Black Flag show with dudes thrashing around on instruments and people sweating all over, but sounded like a garbage truck eating a smaller garbage truck.― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, September 21, 2015 7:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, September 21, 2015 7:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is so otm. I saw Wolf Eyes at the Empty Bottle in Chicago in 2002 or so, and it was incredibly sweaty and intense. It felt like their instruments were going to explode at any moment, and that they were doing their best to bring this about.
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 16:59 (eight years ago) link
usaisamonster was fucking good. tasheyana compost rules
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 18:16 (eight years ago) link
Yeah. That tour was really great too.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 18:20 (eight years ago) link
they were by p much any measure I can think of a 'rock band' but yeah a really great band, totally on their own trip
― Hector Ringtone (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link
I'd probably cast my vote for Wolf Eyes or Sightings...
I miss the whole Hair Police/Air Conditioning/Sightings vibes where it looked/felt like a Black Flag show with dudes thrashing around on instruments and people sweating all over, but sounded like a garbage truck eating a smaller garbage truck.
This, I sort of miss being legit terrified at shows, haha
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link
I've never heard of a single one of these bands.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 01:54 (eight years ago) link
pedantry:"rock bands excluded" and yet we have mouthus, sightings, magik markers, hair police, air conditioning, fat day, etc?puzzling omissions: smegma; TLASILA (well, smith & co despite some esteemed company here would likely puke at being included with such a merry list);splotch (oh no, but splotch were a rock band nnng - malfunction);greg kelley/nmperign;the living trash;the skaters;cock e.s.p.;bran(...)pos;zeek sheck;graveyards. never understand the wolf eyes love. i just get fremdschämen any time i hear them.
hate coming over as boreder than, but even back then "noise" was only "punk" in the sense it was a minor journalistic confection only supposedly melting minds as yet unmelted
― massaman gai, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 07:16 (eight years ago) link
This is:
Yellow Swans v Double Leopards v Wolf Eyes
Gonna vote Yellow Swans.
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 07:36 (eight years ago) link
puzzling omissions: smegma; TLASILA (well, smith & co despite some esteemed company here would likely puke at being included with such a merry list);splotch (oh no, but splotch were a rock band nnng - malfunction);greg kelley/nmperign;the living trash;the skaters;cock e.s.p.;bran(...)pos;zeek sheck;graveyards.
can't speak for Whiney but I've heard of every band in the OP and about half of the ones you've listed so that may be a clue to your puzzle
presume that the idea was to compile bands who came to a sort of prominence in the stated timeframe, whereas TLASILA, Cock ESP, Zeek Sheck all predate that I'd say
― Hector Ringtone (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 08:17 (eight years ago) link
i always associated greg kelley with jon abbey-esque EAI ppl.
But skaters definitely are a glaring omission, as are cock esp, and to live and shave in LA. Smegma may fall into that "legacy" category along with Borbetomagus and ... uh, Caroliner?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 08:20 (eight years ago) link
also Total Shutdown should be on this list, if you would have included Burmese (save for being a rock band), and whoever said USAisamonster, them too.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 08:22 (eight years ago) link
saw Skaters live three times, they were great but VERY QUIET by noise standards
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 08:31 (eight years ago) link
also MIA - Hototogisu = 50% American
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 08:35 (eight years ago) link
Michel van der Aa @vanderaanet 8 minutes agoLondon tube, noisier than a SunO))) concert
London tube, noisier than a SunO))) concert
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 11:01 (eight years ago) link
I'm not exactly familiar with the Noise genre. Animal Collective is considered Noise? This does not bode well for me wanting to discover the best underground stuff. Although I've been to a couple random Noise rock shows (in this era) and I liked them. They were heavy hitters that would come out and play in downtown Athens around Halloween. Standing two feet away from a thrashing band that didn't need a stage was pretty cool. I think I still have the wig one of the band members was wearing.
― The Once-ler, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 12:00 (eight years ago) link
Animal Collective ca. 2000-2003 was most def noize
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 13:41 (eight years ago) link
cock esp should've been on
smegma is like a whole different trip, old hippies
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 14:20 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, I think the "coming into prominence circa 1998-2005" or whatever the timeline was is the key.
Personally, I consider this more as a time/place/scene thing more than a specific genre, so it makes no sense to exclude someone like USAisaMonster (just my opinion). Similarly Sightings/Lightning Bolt/Magik Markers/Fat Day what have you. A band like XBXRX I only saw play with noise/weirdo bands from this scene, but I mean sure they weren't a "noise" band. They were really fun live though. Could get really tedious going down this road, so gonna stop.
― grandavis, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 14:31 (eight years ago) link
The bands that have held up the best for me from the original list are: Magik Markers / Sightings / Burning Star Core.
― grandavis, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 14:32 (eight years ago) link
yep. my pedantry is needless as always.sightings / BXC for me too.or maybe mouthus or fat day.i'll get a nosebleed if i try & decide which.
― massaman gai, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
it's cool massaman, i'd imagine that most ppl posting here like having their memories jogged and talking about these bands and scene.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 20:10 (eight years ago) link
I try to think about what exactly killed this scene, i think it was the last real organic punk movement based on actually touring, making connections, sleeping on floors until it just became ivy league brats sending MP3s to websites run by millionaires
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 20:44 (eight years ago) link
This 2006 Thurston Moore Nightmare Before Christmas seemed like the peak of something - don't think i'll ever enjoy a better line-up:
http://www.atpfestival.com/events/nightmare2006/lineup
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 20:50 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, he really did nail a moment with that. Kind of closes the book on the whole thing, really. Wish I went.
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
Voted Neon Hunk. They had a really enjoyable whimsical quality the time I saw them live, and I think their album was one of the best Load releases of this era.
This was a tough choice; I considered picking Hair Police, Sightings, or Burning Star Core. Gang Wizard, Nautical Almanac, and Friends Forever were also so great. Wolf Eyes too, of course, although I suspect they'll take this poll in a walk.
One of the bigger groups I associate with this scene that isn't on this poll is Pink and Brown.
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link
I have such a vague memory of going to No Fun Fest in 2006 that I can't actually swear I was there. But I think so... There was an upstairs and a downstairs, right?
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:44 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
also non-retro, also immune to being licensed and used in marketing/ad industry
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 21:43 (eight years ago) link
Yeah Pink and Brown/Burmese/Total Shutdown/XBXRX/USAisaMonster were too "rock band" for the poll, but all 100% belong in this thread
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 21:45 (eight years ago) link
I try to think about what exactly killed this scene, i think it was the last real organic punk movement based on actually touring, making connections, sleeping on floors until it just became ivy league brats sending MP3s to websites run by millionaires― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:44 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkalso non-retro, also immune to being licensed and used in marketing/ad industry― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ums and whiney otm
― intheblanks, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 21:50 (eight years ago) link
Also, ca. 2004 -> 2006 there was def a trend of many noise-rock bands on the fringe of this going the Daydream Nation route and getting decidedly more "pop" to various degrees of success, including Animal Collective, Lightning Bolt, Deerhoof, Xiu Xiu, the Mae Shi, Japanther, the Hella record on Ipecac, um, p4rts + l4b0r
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link
with the apotheosis being the existence of No Age?
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
haha I was gonna mention No Age, and last night the band I was trying to think of that was from LA, had Ezra Buchla in it for a while, but then went more pop, was ... Mae Shi.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 22:48 (eight years ago) link
― Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:43 PM (4 minutes ago)
didn't Captain Ahab get money somehow from the Snakes on a Plane thing?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 22:50 (eight years ago) link
wonder if Wolf Eyes gut some bux for that time they were on The Office
― circa1916, Wednesday, 23 September 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link
Since this is turning into post-2006 LETS MONETIZE THIS discussion, I think Cold Cave in the Radio Shack commercial is probably the best example
http://scaryideas.com/content/15143
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 24 September 2015 00:08 (eight years ago) link
All of which is hilarious since the Locust somehow had a small industry of selling 5 different colored versions of the same record to dorks, and branded belt buckles and (**alleged, must credit Jessica Hopper**) coke mirrors and they didn't have to have Red Bull help them!
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 24 September 2015 00:11 (eight years ago) link
anyway, this movement was the last time i believed or cared about anything that wasn't kanye west or death grips, peace out
― posts baloney - whine iverson (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 24 September 2015 00:13 (eight years ago) link
really appreciate this thread and the contextualization of a scene I took for granted at the time (aside from USAisamonnster, who used to play shows in our basement and were/are awesome guys)
― sleeve, Thursday, 24 September 2015 00:30 (eight years ago) link
Hah hah, yeah massaman, I was singling myself out for pedantry as much as anyoneelse. Just hard for me to be objective about much from this scene/era, as it was very important to me at the time. I literally heard about almost all of these bands through friends, other bands, maga(zines), or seeing them in person. Very few from online stuff at all. Last gasp of that kind of thing for me.
― grandavis, Thursday, 24 September 2015 00:32 (eight years ago) link
It lasted for a pretty long time and got more press than it maybe should have, considering the nature of the music, but it deserved it. Not sure what killed it other than that it probably needed to die in some way. It wasn't destined to go any farther than Wolf Eyes signing to Sub Pop and jamming with Anthony Braxton I don't think.
I used to make fun circa 2003 or so of the "Providence haircut", which was a weird thing where a bunch of bands coming through Charlottesville all had the Brian Chippendale hairdo involving the look where it appeared that someone attacked you in your sleep with a pair of clippers. It caught on more than you would have thought ....
― grandavis, Thursday, 24 September 2015 00:43 (eight years ago) link
we used to refer to that as "rocking the grouphome look"
― sarahell, Thursday, 24 September 2015 02:47 (eight years ago) link
lol tonight is Merzbow and Prurient show in Oakland --whiney did you go to the show where you are?
― sarahell, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
its tmrw
― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link
ha geeta sez she will see you there
― sarahell, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hpk157icl0lgsfz/American%20Noise-Punk.zip?dl=0
24-hour zip file re-up of all three volumes PLUS the unreleased Vol. 0, tracing the moment's 90s ROOTS AND INFLUENCES in powerviolence, AmRep/Skin Graft noise rock, SF tribal nonsense and weirdo rock, U.S. noise vanguards, no wave, Gravity/Vermiform art-hardcore and embryonic Rhode Island.
American Noise-Punk Vol. 0 (1993-1998)1. Harry Pussy - Youth Problem2. Couch - Old Man3. Dropdead - I Will Defy4. Born Against - I Am A Idiot5. Godheadsilo - Precipice of Ice6. Hammerhead - Swallow7. U.S. Maple - Letter To ZZ Top8. Caroliner - Salt Lumps9. Universal Order of Armageddon - Clear Set10. Crash Worship - Wild Mountain11. Quintron - 005 Take Off the Wet Suits12. To Live And Shave In L.A. - Lee Krasner 194913. Bunnybrains - (I'm In The) Bucket (Keith)14. Man is the Bastard - Puppy Mill15. Fat Day - Chigger16. Chickita - Leave My House17. Duotron - What!18. Six Finger Satellite - Parlour Games19. Brainiac - Vincent Come on Down20. Thee Hydrogen Terrors - Mexico21. Forcefield - Pac22. Men's Recovery Project - Our Alaskan Brothers23. The Scissor Girls - Vamps, Here!24. The Flying Luttenbachers - Murder Machine Muzak25. Crom-Tech - Queltrom-Victorm26. Antioch Arrow - Chaos vs. Cosmos27. Arab On Radar - Attack on Tijuana28. Lake Of Dracula - Plague of Frogs29. Deerhoof - A-Town Test Site30. Olneyville Sound System - This Is Entertainment31. Zeek Sheck - Beeper Gets Digested32. Gerty Farish - Hey Seth, Why So Blue?33. Replikants - They Will Get You34. Cock E.S.P. - Scorn Lords35. Lightning Bolt - LB.3.K6K3GU3.GO
― bruce spr!ngisH3r3 on broadway (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 29 June 2021 16:35 (two years ago) link
thanks!
― sleeve, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
luscious, thank you
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 29 June 2021 18:18 (two years ago) link
Many many thanks
― beard papa, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 22:35 (two years ago) link
hell yes just in time for summer road trips with the fam
― adam, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 23:28 (two years ago) link
Also, yes, I put a song I play drums on, which is a cornball move, but I couldn't resist.
lol <3
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 23:34 (two years ago) link
so sick. thx Whiney
― flopson, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 06:45 (two years ago) link
Oh wow, thanks, downloading rn.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 14:32 (two years ago) link
Vol. 0 is exactly what I want to be hearing in a vaccine hangover.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 14:55 (two years ago) link
yeah psyched to listen to this, thanks. its funny, i used to love quintron but never occurred to me to slot him in w/that scene for whatever reason, but of course it makes total sense
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 14:55 (two years ago) link
i've played drums in bands with several of the Vol. 0 people ... feels like another life.
Thread Connection: this thread and "inevitable ilxors in their forties"
― sarahell, Saturday, 24 July 2021 03:25 (two years ago) link
Matador wouldn't release the video because hal Ashby had lawyers
https://vimeo.com/12280161
― danbunny, Sunday, 26 November 2023 18:47 (five months ago) link