like i have no idea what he does
― call all destroyer, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link
He has assistant head coach written all over him imo. Great confidant/go-between type. Not a dude you want making your gameplan or keeping your team motivated.
― polyphonic, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:50 (eight years ago) link
gruden - awful coach, shittier human
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 5 October 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link
there was a time this was ron rivera but somehow not anymore
― balls, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:07 (eight years ago) link
he's not the worst but voted mike mccarthy
― balls, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
my bottom 3 would be
caldwell, tomsula, lovie smith
i think i might vote for lovie... not sure a single thing has gone right for the bucs since he's been there, and there's been a lot of talk about his defense just being out of step w/ the league in a way that is really debilitating
― J0rdan S., Monday, 5 October 2015 22:21 (eight years ago) link
Bill O'Brien is completely ruining what was once a very good Texans team.
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, October 5, 2015 3:40 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
o'brien might be another belichick guy who thinks he knows it all but is actually in over his head, then again it's hard to judge someone whose QBs have been ryan fitzpatrck, brian hoyer and ryan mallett
& this year w/ no arian foster they basically never stood a chance
― J0rdan S., Monday, 5 October 2015 22:27 (eight years ago) link
can't possibly say tomsula, no way to know if he is good or bad in that situation
caldwell is a strong shout, most teams you can see what they are trying to do at least but what is the identity or area of strength detroit is trying to build? they just seem to be gradually disintegrating across all units
o'brien seems like he is probably bad but he has nothing to work with. they could've had that division on lock but that roster gets worse every year.
lovie is another good suggestion, he really does seem lost now. bucs do have some talent
i think chuck pagano is probably bad. not sure what he does for the team. dude was a defensive coordinator, no sign of that with the way this team plays. most notable thing he has done was get sick.
mccarthy is fine, maybe you can argue a better coach and gbp would dominate the league in a nasty way, they do always find players but they do also always have holes. and for some reason they are the unhealthiest team, after a while there's gotta be a reason. those are maybe reasons to give mccarthy the benefit of the doubt, but he doesn't seem to be able to creatively apply his playing resources to make up for problems or create a wrinkle, which separates the truly good hcs.
obvious answer is chip kelly, which of these dudes has done more to undermine his team in 2015?
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:45 (eight years ago) link
Yeah Chip Kelly at this point
― jill's got heroin (rip van wanko), Monday, 5 October 2015 22:49 (eight years ago) link
chip might be the worst GM in the NFL but if you had to put your life on one football game played by randomly assembled players and you chose, idk, jay gruden or lovie or caldwell or pagano or tomsula over chip i bet you would die
― J0rdan S., Monday, 5 October 2015 22:51 (eight years ago) link
I love tomsula and was terrified when he got the job.
― brimstead, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link
I mean, I loved him as a defensive coach
― brimstead, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:54 (eight years ago) link
and then was terrified upon hearing he was hired as head coach
xps to js, one the one hand i agree, on the other hand he tried to call an entire nfl game using 2 run plays.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:55 (eight years ago) link
it's not been a great season for #TeamChip i'll readily admit that but he's done several things in his first two seasons that many coaches on this list have and/or could not do
― J0rdan S., Monday, 5 October 2015 23:04 (eight years ago) link
gotta say - i'm feeling pretty good about dan quinn!
― balls, Monday, 5 October 2015 23:24 (eight years ago) link
o'brien and kelly both may end up being good coaches but i don't think it's going to be with their current teams.
pagano is certainly in the running here. i don't pay any attention to tampa but get the sense that lovie may be in the group with fisher and fox where they aren't "bad" but have been passed by.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 00:45 (eight years ago) link
Re: Jay Gruden, recall that his previous head coaching gig was the Orlando Predators.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 00:57 (eight years ago) link
That motherfucker is treated like royalty at the Fashion Square Mall
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 01:00 (eight years ago) link
I always vote Kubiak tho
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link
Good to see such a healthy competition for this honor. An embarrassment of poverty, so to speak.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 01:08 (eight years ago) link
fisher and fox where they aren't "bad" but have been passed by.
― call all destroyer, Monday, October 5, 2015 8:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
lovie is 3-17 in tampa
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:04 (eight years ago) link
who on this list is an indisputably great coach?
belichick, harbaugh, pete carroll ... anyone else? tomlin?
you can sort the rest into various categories but i feel like those 3 are the only ones who are up and down great w/ no caveats
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:06 (eight years ago) link
Andy Reid, Rex Ryan
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:10 (eight years ago) link
Bruce Arians, too.
gtfo w/ rexandy reid kinda sorta? he's at least in the vicinity but he never won anythingarians looks good so far but too early
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:13 (eight years ago) link
this is how i break it down to an extent
great coaches
Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, John Harbaugh
probably good but slightly less trustworthy than the big 3
Rex Ryan, Ron Rivera, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Tom Coughlin, Marvin Lewis, Jason Garrett, Mike Tomlin
flashes of potential but ultimately unproven
Bruce Arians, Mike McCoy, Chip Kelly
flashes of potential but with team for <2 seasons
Dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer
literally have no idea what you do
Chuck Pagano
boring retread hires: the decent
John Fox, Gary Kubiak, Jack Del Rio, Ken Whisenhunt
boring retread hires: the bad
Jeff Fisher, Lovie Smith, Jim Caldwell
situations too horrible to judge: probably good
Bill O'Brien, Gus Bradley
situations too horrible to judge: probably bad
Jay Gruden, Mike Pettine
too soon to judge
Todd Bowles, Jim Tomsula
interim head coach of the miami dolphins
Dan Campbell
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:17 (eight years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Monday, October 5, 2015 11:06 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tomlin are you out of your mind?
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:19 (eight years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, October 5, 2015 11:10 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:20 (eight years ago) link
the real question is which of these guys can retire, go on a network pregame show and be called 'coach' for the rest of their lives
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:23 (eight years ago) link
john fox underrated there, better than some of the guys in that 2nd tier imo. horrible game manager but as good a defensive coach as anyone.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:24 (eight years ago) link
tomlin's in-game decisions get wacky but the dude's had pretty patchwork teams for a while and has them in the playoffs or in playoff contention in week 17 every year
but that's more in the andy reid class
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:24 (eight years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, October 5, 2015 11:24 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark
yeah fox went to the super bowl w/ delhomme he's prob underrated
xp i mean sure but one of the qualifications of being a great coach is being a great in-game coach.
tomlin though, i don't think he even schemes anything, he seems like a cool boss who lets you do whatever you want while trusting you to be a good employee.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:27 (eight years ago) link
fox was an excellent coach, i think he's just old now
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 03:29 (eight years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 9 October 2015 00:01 (eight years ago) link
pagano making his claim
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 9 October 2015 01:18 (eight years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 10 October 2015 00:01 (eight years ago) link
HAHA
― balls, Saturday, 10 October 2015 00:03 (eight years ago) link
fair
realize now i somehow forgot to actually vote in this
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 10 October 2015 00:34 (eight years ago) link
http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/pn_8RmCCIPrHrqzLOSMH0qPUu4k%3D/800x0/filters%3Ano_upscale%28%29/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4141264/whyyyyyy.0.gif
― a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 10 October 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/article/jim-caldwell-provides-lions-players-printouts-insp-51602
― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 18 October 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/10/18/9564525/the-lions-kicked-a-field-goal-down-7-with-2-50-to-go
― polyphonic, Sunday, 18 October 2015 20:14 (eight years ago) link
Hey, worked out - htye just scored a TD and are noe up 3 with 30 seconds to go...
― Sharia Law and Lambchop (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 18 October 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
Pagano on fake punt: 'I don't regret the play call at all'
― Mordy, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
i apologize to jim caldwell.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
bill o brien seems fun to play for......
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 October 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
does anyone aside from pats fans or burned out jets fans objectively think rex ryan is a genuinely terrible coach?
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
not terrible, but closer to mediocre than most people think
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link
it's tempting to say "it would be great to see rex coach a team with a competent offense" but at this point it seems like incompetent offense is part of the rex package
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 20 October 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link
as is the undisciplined play, as is the constant talking, as is the three-year shelf life.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
he prob shouldve stayed a DC for sure. (the shit-talking makes him an immensely enjoyable presence, tho.)
was expecting at least one ken whisenhunt vote but i suppose he has a past to fall back on and its not like he's had anything to work with in tennessee
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
whisenhunts reign there is v weird. each season began w a fairly impressive road win........and otherwise he has one single victory over jax at home O_o
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
I've been big on Rex for a while but watching a Fitzpatrick-led Jets team go to 4-1 while the Bills struggle mightily is changing my mind. Buffalo sure seems like a better team on paper.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link
honestly i like the jets personnel on defense a lot more than the bills. bills are maybe a little ahead on offense but not much.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 19:06 (eight years ago) link
Bills have lost to better teams.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 19:09 (eight years ago) link
jets got alot better elsewhere in the offseason iirc, hell tbh fitzpatrick over geno is an upgrade too
― balls, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 22:06 (eight years ago) link