2016 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees POLL

Ringo didn't get in as a solo artist; his induction category was the "Award for Musical Excellence":

This award honors musicians, songwriters and producers who have spent their life creating important and memorable music. Their originality, impact and influence have changed the course of music history. These artists have achieved the highest level of distinction that transcends time.

John, Paul, and George got in as Performers; Ringo got in for his drumming (deservedly so), but not for his solo catalog.

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Ringo's solo catalog contains some jams, saddened by all this anti-Ringo sentiment

Ryan: First off alphabetically, we have The Cars.
Kevin: I’ve honestly never heard any of their music.

Click.

― campreverb

I know a couple of the kids – they're young!

Ringo got in for his drumming (deservedly so), but not for his solo catalog.

Ah, okay. That makes me feel slightly better.

Ringo's solo catalog contains some jams

No argument there, but he's not HoF-level good (whatever that means).

Yeah, it's obviously a silly exercise in the sense of, who cares what the actual Hall of Fame means, but the Hall of Fames in our heads presumably have some kinda standards tougher than "did indeed cut a number of fine tracks and even some hits sometime in the 1970s." And I speak as a Ringo admirer.

there are only four really good songs on Straight Outta Compton

The first three + which other?

I'll give 'em "Express Yourself."

"did indeed cut a number of fine tracks and even some hits sometime in the 1970s."

Not just "some" hits, but by 1975 he'd had as many top 10 hits in the US as Paul, and more than John and George combined.

the Hall of Fames in our heads presumably have some kinda standards tougher than "did indeed cut a number of fine tracks and even some hits sometime in the 1970s."

idk, I think the Hall of Fames in my head is a bit more loosey goosey, maybe

I know a couple of the kids – they're young!

out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable human conduct.

I know a couple of the kids – they're young!

yet they apparently know the Los Lobos catalogue front to back!

fwiw "La Bamba" is the only Los Lobos song I've ever heard

sucks to be you

yeah i mean ringo had some good hits! No doubt! I like him! I like his stuff! just thinking that at a certain point, the hypothetical list of Hall of Famers beomes congruent with the list of basically everybody who had and kept a record deal. Nice to honor them all but it sort of undermines the idea of a Hall of Fame.

The Eagles were the first real "waitwaitwait...NO" band to be inducted.

As their $100 tickets ushered in the era of bullshit prices for shows, so it was that their induction into the HoF led to a sustained period of casual shrugging by the nominating committee.

yet they apparently know the Los Lobos catalogue front to back!

― welltris (crüt), Friday, October 9, 2015 1:

NPR parents, dude.

^ haunting

To qualify for the HoF in my head, an artist has to meet at least two of these three benchmarks: sustained success, influence and innovation.

If you're innovative and influential but have done shit numbers sales-wise, cool. You might get in. If you've been massively popular, but you're, say, Michael Bolton and completely uninfluential and not in the least bit innovative, you likely won't. However, I won't feel too badly for you, because you sleep on a pile of money.

i know a couple of the kids – they're young!

out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable human conduct.

Ha ha. I left a comment, but they tend to get deleted so,

Re yr Deep Purple comments: "I just don’t know what separates them from some of the other 70s rock giants that aren’t in yet....Outside of your first lessons and the denizens of your local Guitar Center, do they really seem worthy of any Hall of Fame?"

What separates Deep Purple is the fact that they are HUGELY influential in the development of metal, just after Black Sabbath and more so than Led Zep. In the early 70s they were massively popular, outselling Sabbath, who did quite well, by about a factor of six. In Rock (1970) is quintessential proto-metal sandwiched between the first two Sabbath albums, and just a timeless hard rock album, as is Machine Head. Without Deep Purple there would have been no Judas Priest, no Iron Maiden, and while heavy metal would exist thanks to Sabbath, it wouldn't be what it is today. They are significantly more influential than Motorhead (who are also great and deserve an eventual nom). Plenty of other great but less influential bands have been inducted in the past. A good example is Traffic, who navigated the path between psych and prog with style. Of course Deep Purple belong in the Hall. They are worthy, and you are not.

All right, Phil, I'll bite: what do you dislike about Chic?

Just don't like the songs. I like the idea of Chic - small-group disco-funk - but the execution just doesn't do it for me. I've tried; I've got this 2CD best-of around here somewhere, but I never, ever feel like listening to it.

nine inch nails, cuz it'd be really funny to watch someone win a lifetime achievement award and then go sing a nine inch nails song right after.

Not as funny as when it was the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

no it will be way funnier

have you ever heard a nine inch nails song

All-Star jam on "Closer"! Steve Miller sings the naughty part!

trent doesn't even have the "fuck the hall of fame" real-rock-doesn't-belong-in-a-museum option. you can't accept an oscar and then do that.

most badass thing he could do if he gets in would be have the band dress like kraftwerk and cover "cars"

"alright you fuckers, welcome to the stage robert smith, martin gore and thomas dolby!!!!!"

haha

that would be legit great, the stuntcasted 'statement' performances are the best trend in HOF induction ceremonies, lady-fronted Nirvana and Stooges doing Madonna were awesome.

reprise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4p7VIE9jQk

I mean I like a lot of the acts on here, but at least 5 of 'em owe their existence to the JBs rhythm section

― Οὖτις, Thursday, October 8, 2015 4:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol NWA somewhat literally

haha alfred my adding dolby was totally in ref to that

lady-fronted Nirvana and Stooges doing Madonna were awesome.

i love how those were both legit subversive, not just middle-fingers - most pop inductee ever brings out a group (at the time) too non-pop to be inducted to pay tribute, nirvana dignifying its "moved rock forward" status by reaffirming its anti-machohood.

some good comments on that Synthesizer Showdown video

Xyshom Avazax 1 year ago
Sad to see these legends pantomiming so.

Stevie Wonder is the only one of those four to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thus far

obviously yes

can't remember the last time the rnrhof actually meant something

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Voted Yes, Smiths, Deep Purple, J. B.'s, and NIN here. (Sorry Cars.)

I don't mind writing about the HOF. The only thing is, like the baseball HOF, people are very protective about who they think they should go in. So I don't enjoy how the arguments can touch nerves.

The only absolute yes for me is again the Spinners.
Subjectively yes, objectively I'm not sure: Cheap Trick.
Put them in--they deserve it, plus everyone will stop complaining: Chic.
There's a case: Janet Jackson.
One guy for sure, maybe two, not so sure about the whole group: NWA. (If influence was all that mattered, yes.)
Beyond old-guy nostalgia for the first four or five hits (and nothing past about 1974), no real case: Chicago.
For just the pop hits, no, if you include a couple of early albums, maybe: Steve Miller.
In a British HOF, probably, but not this one: the Smiths.
Don't really see a case: Chaka Khan, Los Lobos.
Did the JB's have non-James Brown hits? I honestly don't know.
For me, the worst kind of inductee, and they'll probably go in: the Cars.
Silly: Nine Inch Nails.

what makes the Cars the worst kind of inductee? They got the hits, the acclaim, the influence.

i doubt the smiths will get in but man if they did its gotta be cuz of johnny marr, lotta bigger Beloved By Wimps And Nerds 80s bands not in yet, but the smiths might have the most prominent guitarist

(xpost) I have a very subjective hatred of middling '80s new wave bands.

curious about how the move from Fuse to HBO has influenced the induction choices (if at all) - 2012 was the first one on HBO and had the beasties and peppers get in after previously being passed, g'n'r getting in their first year. 2013 didn't have any big gen-x arena-friendly headliners but none were nominated. 2014 had nirvana get in after being nominated for the first time, and older big acts like kiss and hall & oates get in without having ever been nominated before.

if this year features NWA, Cheap Trick, The Cars and Nine Inch Nails, feels like they're potentially setting a template.

oh - and speaking of gen-x friendly arena headliners - Green Day got in last year.

2017 belongs to pearl jam, obv

wait wait wait i just realized pearl jam was eligible THIS year...i can't believe they're making them wait one

and nine inch nails was eligible last year. maybe they're spacing them out.

this guy who's been writing a regular column in my local free weekly since like 1980 has done at least two columns in my lifetime dedicated to complaining that chicago isn't in the R&RHOF

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/danehy/Content?oid=3436903