Coil s/d c/d etc

Who is in charge of the estate now, a relation? Brainwashed?

hey look finally some information:

http://www.factmag.com/2015/10/14/coils-reissues-through-threshold-archives/

Update, October 14: Former Coil associate Jon Whitney has confirmed that he is organising the releases.

The Archive also stresses upfront the impossibility of an “authorized” Coil release due to the deaths of both members (John Balance died in 2004, marking the end of the project), concluding that “without Balance and Sleaz, there is no official Coil release nor will there ever be again. Nothing that bears the word ‘Coil’ is authorized, official, or sanctioned by Coil as Coil has ceased to exist.” Despite that, the detail and dedication of these releases is worth the attention of any fan.

not sure what I think abt that

I believe there have been more updates to the link Stan posted as the revive, this does look legit:

http://www.brainwashed.com/bark/projects-coil.html

If Jon's involved I'm good with it -- he'd been doing all this work to try and get things organized. Maybe the subtext here is simply that there is no final way to dot i's and cross t's. I'm really wondering now if there simply wasn't any legal provision for the estates.

I'm ordering all of them, I can't not, I'm a completist :-)

i know little of coil, but i do have 'scatology' on vinyl (due to foetus production basically).

is that not regarded as part of their classic era catalogue as i rarely see it mentioned ?

Panic (which I've never been fond of),

panic is all about its wondrous b-side

and, scatology is definitely classic.

Picked up the Backwards reissue at the local shop (where I was frankly surprised to see it). So nice to have a proper release of the New Orleans versions of "A Cold Cell" and "Fire Of the Mind," and the second half of this thing (the half that sounds the most like The New Backwards) is pretty great. But I've always preferred strange / mysterious / beautiful Coil to angry / dark / evil Coil, and some of these are a little too abrasive for me; it may indeed be the bridge between LSD and MTPinD, and I can definitely hear that, but the more NIN-sounding stuff on here (which I realize is like saying "Oasis-sounding Beatles stuff") is decidedly not my favorite Coil material. Interested to hear other opinions.

i totally agree. the abrasive tracks on backwards are probably my least favourite things they ever did. indeed, their hook up with trent reznor didn't seem to bring out the best in them as i never really loved their NIN remixes either.

Weird uncanny beautiful coil is the coil I like. Faves are Musick... Dark, the Equinox/Solstice EPs, and the very last albums. I know there's stuff in that vein I'm missing (some of which I doubtless already downloaded from the archive dot org dump and haven't got to yet!)

^^^ agreed

This is why I watch any 2000s-era live Coil on YT : their use of sound and space and Jhonn B's voice in combination were untouchable in their final years.

tracklists now available:

http://www.discogs.com/label/910477-Threshold-Archives

oh, bloody hell! i'm going to have to buy my first cds in years and get 6 of these. i will also need to buy a cd player. before i splurge, does anyone know if they plan to do them on vinyl?

Just got all 8 CDs and the Cold Spring version of Backwards in the mail from Forced Exposure yesterday. A little disappointed with the extremely minimal packaging—they're just in sleeves, with no notes or even a tracklisting to speak of—but obviously the music is great. Love the "Pre-Original Chaostrophy," gorgeous.

obviously the music is the most important thing but it feels a little at odds with the whole coil ethos for these to be so spartan.

That is disappointing. All of them are like that? I guess they're pretty inexpensive, though I am sure you are like me in that you'd have gladly paid a few bucks extra for a nice booklet, maybe with some liner notes and period pics. The "no tracklisting" thing seems especially weird to me.

Sound samples: https://boomkat.com/labels/137507

OK this cover of "Meet Murder My Angel" is amazing, chalk one up for the 'Wrong Eye' CD

CDs are in cardboard sleeves with no inserts or any track info... the sleeves are glossy, color, and nicely printed. More thoughts later.

...aaaand they appear to no longer be available, jfc. The FE link above is empty.

hope Whitney just sold out of the first run and presses more ASAP

Gone from Discog,s too. They were all up there for $12 apiece

Again, I snooze and lose.

:(

gone from boomkat too.

lots of discussion on the Discogs page for Threshold Archives

amazon.com states it will have these for sale at $11.98 each on 13 November, accepting pre-orders. I ordered one today. Let's see.

http://www.discogs.com/reviews?page=1&label=Threshold+Archives

also the (very very) early version of "Tiny Wings" on the Panic disc is completely goddamn incredible

the extra untitled tracks on The Wheel disc are also really great, essential even

Shame to hear a few negative comments on the presentation and packaging, bearing in mind this quote from the archive page:

Thighpaulsandra has stated to me in an email from September 2015:
"If your releases are not perceived as ultimately desirable objects they will just be regarded on a par with all the bootlegs. I think the packaging and presentation needs to be of a standard that G&S would have approved of. I tried to ensure the books met their standards. I hope your CDs will do the same."
I hope so too...

despite reservations, i'm very much looking forward to my copies arriving (it was way cheaper to buy from forced exposure and ship to the uk than buy in the uk). i cannot wait to hear sleazy's take on "tainted love".

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171978391505

as per one of the Discogs reviews:

what a goddamn mess

these albums deserve a more long term commitment from a label that can keep them in print and available for years to come, this whole limited edition-sold out-jacked up secondary market cycle is shitty and exploitive and cynical. No diss to any individual consuemrs, it's great that people still love and listen to this music, but this short-term thinking, I dunno, I think this is a real disservice to Geff and Sleazy's legacy.

as for that ebay person: "pay your respects to the vultures", indeed

it's pathetic. as someone who runs a label, it really isn't rocket science to do this properly and with respect and love to coil's legacy and high standards.

Cosign on all of this. It's absurd that we are living in a time of labels like LITA, Numero, Dust To Digital and Soul Jazz (not to mention a time in which every idea Stephen fucking Stills ever had is available as a super deluxe 180 gram vinyl box set) and yet we can't get a decent Coil reissue campaign going. It boggles the mind that beautiful, deluxe retrospective LPs of everything from Native American private press music to the fucking Unwound discography can be had with a mouseclick, but Love's Secret Domain remains a "rare" release.

Anyone have any info on why these were "withdrawn," anyway? I still have all of them in my Amazon cart, and the release date there has not changed. Am I foolishly dreaming an impossible dream here?

unfortunately Jon Whitney has not made any new public statements as of yet, so everything is pure speculation and mystery at this point

lots of talk on the public FB Coil page as well...

Not about the withdrawal, but about the situation in general: my understanding is that there was a lot of bickering and infighting between rival parties and that there was a large enough group of them (surviving band members, ex-boyfriends, and superfans who saw themselves as archivists) that no clear majority with moral authority / followthrough emerged, and so the result is bitterness and mutual hostility and shady bootlegs and short term thinking. I saw some offers that were made to a consortium of those involved that could have solved this in a responsible way, and I heard about offers from reissue labels that wanted to do a one time, high priced box thing, and I think it all just collapsed because no one could agree about who had the right to do what, what figure was the right figure, what option was best. So this is where their legacy stands right now.

I have also seen some shocking posts from Chris and Cosey on Twitter alleging that Thighpaulsandra is selling off bits of Geff and Sleazy's archive on eBay (including priceless things such as the first letter Geff wrote to Sleazy as a teen) and if that is true it is really despicable- that should be archived properly by a library / museum. That is queer history. That is occult history. That is not some trinket with which to make a quick buck. Shame.

Someone made these inserts with more info - http://www.barringtonarts.com/Coil_CD_Inserts.rar

Meanwhile, I received an envelope from FE containing the invoice. The actual CDs are probably with customs now, I guess :-(

as I understand it, it is Danny Hyde who is selling off a lot of Coil archival material

the tune was space beyond otm

Meanwhile, I received an envelope from FE containing the invoice.

snap. am now expecting a hefty customs charge. :-(

I heard about offers from reissue labels that wanted to do a one time, high priced box thing

whatever happens next, i sincerely hope it's not this. there are lots of people out there hungry for coil vinyl, many of them too young to have ever purchased coil records before and it would be great to see their music available to those who don't have the funds to buy an elitist box set.

I agree, a more long term commitment to keeping individual albums in print will let people of all kinds discover the catalog, and it will let people who are more likely to want album x or y find out about them

a bourgeois collector object is likely to be bought by the very people who probably already own the albums on other formats anyway (such as myself- I have the albums on vinyl and on CD already), so it doesn't get the band any new fans and it might squelch efforts to bring the albums to the wider, newer audience they deserve

another archive.org find:

https://archive.org/details/CoilColourSoundOblivionDvd1516

this is like a lost this heat track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQdkLJDJHFc

indeed it does. the highlight of the devastate to liberate comp.

update: http://brainwashed.com/bark/projects-coil.html

Thank you to everyone who has supported the launch of Threshold Archives. It is something to be proud of. It has made a lot of people very happy to have the beginnings of the project Peter began finally come to light after so many years. The first phase accomplished its goals: to establish it as a viable entity, to be affordable, available, to preserve the legacy, and work as a model to compensate contributors and survivors when bootleg practices and exploiters run rampant worldwide.

In order to continue, however, it is necessary to step away and let someone else take responsibility. The new custodian of Threshold Archives has the infrastructure to meet the requirements, manage accounting and royalties, and establish a trust dedicated to reaching agreements with various stakeholders fairly and ethically.

Brainwashed will only serve in a wholly unpaid advisory capacity from here on. The project is temporarily on hold while the details are being worked out. All apologies to those who have missed the first run but please be patient and try to resist temptation to pay scalpers and opportunists on the auction sites and trading sites.

Thank you again.

Good to know, but if this was Whitney's intention all along then he should have said so from the off.

The first phase accomplished its goals: to establish it as a viable entity, to be affordable, available

err

people were still managing to pick up complete sets of 8 as of yesterday, fwiw

as I see it he's saying that he doesn't want to deal with the repress and keeping them in print, so somebody else is gonna do it, like a real label. this is for the best imo.

agree that it probably could have been handled better and w/more communication (specifically, it would be nice to know if the Amazon pre-orders for Nov. 13th are still valid). But I can't imagine it'll take very long for these new releases to show up in some new form. I'd bet money it'll happen before the repress of England's Hidden Reverse ;)

no one is making anyone buy these from scalpers; and if you're looking for most of this stuff you can probably find it now illegally, so go for it; but jon should get a commendation for making an attempt to do this legitimately, and for setting it up for the future. i'm sorry if everyone didn't get in on the first cut of the pie but there will be another pie.

wow. sold the horse rotorvator masters three years back. fucking nightmare. I have a bunch of master tapes in the basement that eat up a lot of space and probably should be in better climate but better that they degrade under my watch than fall into indifferent hands

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coil-Horse-Rotorvator-Original-genuine-Ampex-multitrack-with-track-sheets-/251698767791?rmvSB=true

that is fucked up, I just can't fathom the thought process there

wait what? who sold those masters? and to whom?

I wonder who'll continue the Threshold Archives releases - I'm guessing it's Stevo :-)