is london ilx still a thing

Living within 1km of the tube? Are you made out of money? Everyone I know lives around the overground stations and even that's becoming unaffordable.

Many of those numbers on the rent map actually seem kind of affordable to me? I was surprised how low russell square was but that's why I'm asking, median 1BR price doesn't necessarily take into account scarcity, etc. Also the "comparable" here is Boston, NYC, DC or SF, so an assumption that the "no more than 1/3rd income on rent" rule is ancient rubbish.

Rightmove should give you a steer. Those prices look plausible for the lower end of the market but a lot of 1BR flats available are either very small new-builds or conversions. You can probably add at least 20% for somewhere pleasant.

like, 20% more of your hand on the bobbies' faces? I'm confused

xxp It doesn't sound like that job would be on Deloitte's Starveling Track, either.

yeah she's getting Horporate Cousing for the first month. def not on the starveling track.

I don't live in a world where £1500 a month for rent is even a possibility, BUT, I would wonder, with areas like Kings X or Russell Square, whether that is "average rent" including or excluding council flats and student accommodation and things would will drag the *average* rent down, but are just not available to someone planning to move to London.

The other caveat I would always, always say to Americans considering moving to the UK: do not underestimate how much higher the cost of living is here, and I'm not just talking about rent. I'm talking about groceries, clothes, transportation, eating in restaurants, *everything*. Because a salary in £££ may compare in exchange rates to a salary in $$$, but do not assume that everything else is, too. Even having lived in NYC, walking into shops in London, nothing was 60% of the cost of American groceries, it was just take the American price and stick a pound sign in front of it. So you have to get used to the fact that either you have an earning power 60% of what you think you are earning, or that every single thing you buy is 1.5x more expensive than you are used to.

This is very so: We were amazed when told how New York was expensive shoppingwise, until we got there and found it seemed cheap having been used to London prices.

The thing to remember about that rent map is that it's the average price of a one-bedroom place. Flat shares, even in the most expensive areas, will be significantly cheaper than that (and if your friend doesn't know anyone then sharing is probably the way to go).

Prob pay about 700 a month to share in a nice area on the tube, though there are still cheaper places out there, I know friends paying 450 or 500 to live in Hackney/Mile End/Bethnal Green. Nice places too.

That's more a lucky situation where a landlord doesn't bother raising rent for years, or doesn't care.

Is Mile End particularly worth even that much? I used to go there a lot a few years back and it felt really quiet and empty at night, but in kind of a desolate way, loads of boarded up pubs etc. Obviously it might have changed in the intervening time but it doesn't feel like it has the life that Hackney and Bethnal Green had even pre-gentrification.

It doesn't, but it's coming along. Mile End has a really nice bit by the Chisenhale Gallery, a lot of well-proportioned Georgian houses, and a lot of decent ex-council flats in nice redbrick blocks - and Central line is pretty fast, even with all the crowding.

Yeah some parts of Mile End are nice, Chisenhale Road is exactly where I mean. There are also nice bits near Tredegar Square. Some grim parts too, that big black hole behind the tube station (past the eerie graveyard).

Yeah the bit around the Tube Station towards Devons Road is the bit I'm most familiar with and I wouldn't advise anyone to live there unless they absolutely had to, and certainly not upon arriving in London for the first time. Don't know Chisenhale Road but anything closer to Victoria Park is almost guaranteed to be nicer.

Yeah I wasn't necessarily recommending those areas, more just suggesting it might be possible to live somewhere nice on a London wage. I pay about 70 more than when I moved, nearly 8 years ago, and I survived then on about 16k a year.

xxp That's the bit of Mile End that would be being sold as Homerton if there wasn't a park in between, all I'm saying.

(now wondering if the big black hole is my old flat on Mossford Street - I know the ceiling collapsed on to the kitchen shortly after I left)

There are several parks between Mile End and Homerton.

I'd imagine it's closer to Bethnal Green, also not sure the magic of the name Homerton is used as a selling point.

Recent recording about a leafy street in Mile End, it sounds like the kind of place a genial Sunday afternoon might occur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEkW8TzmhNI

xp I.. apologise if I've offended you? Chisenhale is only really near one park, and the road nearest it on the other side (Wetherell Road) is listed as Homerton - not by everyone of course, but enough to sell it as such.

Homerton is north of the railroad tracks and possibly north of Cassland Road - anything E9 below these is Well Street Common, Victoria Park etc.

I wouldn't disagree with that, but it's not myself that you'd have to convince..

One thing's for sure, you'll need all your powers of persuasion in this meaningless hypothetical where Victoria Park vanishes and you are talking to an estate agent's marketing department.

I'd have thought the plummier sort of estate agent would be happy to call these E9 areas anything but Homerton, maybe something like Lauriston Village (south of the tracks) or Chatsworth Village (north of the tracks).

^ tombot these are the kind of conversational topics your friends can get involved in very soon.

on similar topics I assume Highgate flats being £84 per month on average cheaper than one at Archway is because all the ones at Archway are being marketed as "Highgate"

Homerton is north of the railroad tracks and possibly north of Cassland Road - anything E9 below these is Well Street Common, Victoria Park etc.

otm

I'd have thought the plummier sort of estate agent would be happy to call these E9 areas anything but Homerton, maybe something like Lauriston Village (south of the tracks) or Chatsworth Village (north of the tracks).

also otm!

fwiw (not much) - homerton as a place name still seems to be shunned a bit.

Someone should definitely tell these fellas:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=77+Wetherell+Rd+London+E9+7DA

(as well as my friend in we-can-all-agree-it's Homerton IE Glyn Road, who's been watching the amounts on the "Your house is worth £xxx" leaflets climb towards a million over the last 5 years)

That is Victoria Park and no mistake!

I used to have friends in Glyn Road and when I was living just off Cassland Road 20+ years ago, anything E5 was the back of beyond.

They bought about 12 years ago, same then. It shot up as soon as the Olympics was announced, they thought it'd drop off after, but it appears not.

i am genuinely thrilled that yall are still arguing about where different neighborhoods are located

london ilx is def still a thing

scanning through this conversation was like jumping back in time 12 years

Anyone knocking around btwn gates b32 and b48 at heathrow for the next hour nows yr chance to finally meet ms mac

I wouldnt recommend it tbh she was up early and one of her labels has been chafing her someplace she doesnt want to discuss

I couldn't get there inside an hour if I tried but it is a generous offer. ShariVari probably in terminal 4

Yeah i thought "if anyone" tbh

I am in glamorous Salford today, unfortunately.

tbf i shouldve flagged it but j just never know what security's going to be like do u

SV definitely involved in the Mourinho appointment

Was seen carrying a cardboard box full of Champions League and Premiership Winners medals.

Salford ilx definitely not a thing, sadly. Old Trafford isn't in Salford except in terms of Catholic diocese