Rank the White Album

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...and Mother Nature's Son at 13?

WeatheringD, Friday, 15 October 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't be bothered to renumber these.

BEST

1. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
28.Helter Skelter
12.Happiness Is a Warm Gun
19.Revolution 1
9. Julia
7. I'm So Tired
6. I Will
...and then there's a bunch of average stuff I can't be bothered to rank...
23.Don't Pass Me By
25.Why Don't We Do It In The Road
20.Birthday
Wild Honey Pie
10.Martha My Dear
29.Revolution 9
3. Honey Pie

WORST

a banana, Friday, 15 October 2004 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

When the album first broke, Birthday and Back In The USSR were the AM players which really were ample, back in the day.

As the years have gone by, my personal faves have remained:

1. I'm So Tired
2. Glass Onion
3. Sexie Sadie
4. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
5. Why Don't We Do It In The Road
6. Happiness Is A Warm Gun
7. Blackbird
8. Back In The USSR
9. Revolution 1 (which really belongs at # 1 but I'm too lazy to edit)
10. Martha My Dear

And most of the rest fall into line

The worst track/s by far is one, if not both of, the Honey Pies.

jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 15 October 2004 05:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't know what it is about this album - there are plenty of bad songs on it, but whenever i listen to it, i never find myself skipping anything. it just flows so well that even the worst stuff ("wild honey pie," "mother nature's son") seems to fit. i'm especially fond of the way "rocky raccoon" collapses into the weird opening of "don't pass me by."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 15 October 2004 06:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I am dismayed by the general poor showing of 'Wild Honey Pie' on this thread.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 15 October 2004 07:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never pwn3d a Beatles album but if ever I were to embark on such a retrograde step, this is the album I'd consider (not that buy it of course, but if somebody gave me it I woudn't say no!)

GOOD:
Blackbird
Long, Long, Long
Julia
Dear Prudence
Happiness Is a Warm Gun
Mother Nature's Son
Sexy Sadie
Rocky Racoon
Cry Baby Cry
Back In The USSR
Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey
Helter Skelter

FAIR TO MIDDLING:
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
I'm So Tired
Martha My Dear
Glass Onion
Birthday
Wild Honey Pie

NOT MUCH COP:
The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill
Honey Pie
I Will
Why Don't We Do It In The Road
Savoy Truffle
Revolution 9

FOUL:
Piggies
Revolution 1 (so dreary and plodding compared to the single)
Good Night
Don't Pass Me By
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
Yer Blues

.... which is pretty good for a Beatles album. Overall, I'd say "Rocky Racoon" is probably my favourite track and that I prefer McCartney to Lennon - sorry Beatlefans!

Dataismus (Dada), Friday, 15 October 2004 08:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I prefer McCartney to Lennon on this album I mean

Dataismus (Dada), Friday, 15 October 2004 08:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Stop dissing "Honey Pie", which is an excellent song. Yes, it isn't "rock", but that is just a good thing.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 15 October 2004 11:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, now I come to think of it, I like "Honey Pie"

Daddyismus (Dada), Friday, 15 October 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"Bungalow Bill" is great too. Those who have no musical taste may call it "twee", but there is no such thing, at least not in a negative sense. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 15 October 2004 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

There I must disagre with you Geir, "Bungalow Bill" is rotten

Daddyismus (Dada), Friday, 15 October 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Stop dissing "Honey Pie", which is an excellent song. Yes, it isn't "rock", but that is just a good thing.

Yeah, come on Rockers! Open your minds!

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 15 October 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

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"It's fine just the way it is. Don't mess with it."

Uncle Charlie (vassifer), Friday, 15 October 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's my ranking of the tracks on the Beatles' SMiLE album:

1. Because
2. Tomorrow Never Knows
3. Strawberry Fields Forever
4. It's Only A Northern Song
5. Penny Lane
6. She's Leaving Home
7. What's The New Mary Jane
8. Revolution (single version)
9. Wah Wah
10. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
11. Happiness Is A Warm Gun
12. Flying
13. Hey Jude
14. You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)
15. I Am The Walrus
16. Carnival Of Light
17. Long Long Long
18. The Inner Light
19. Revolution 9
20. Good Night
21. My Mummy's Dead

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 October 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

(hidden extra track: A Day In The Life)

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 October 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Not so much a ranking, more a running order.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 October 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"Not Guilty" deserves to be part of that album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 15 October 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Quite correct - in between tracks 10 and 11 I think would be the best place.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 October 2004 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"Bungalow Bill" is rotten

I agree, but I do like that final "AYE-OHH!" from Lennon that segues right into the piano intro of "WHile My Guitar Gently Weeps".

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 15 October 2004 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

"Bungalow Bill" is great too. Those who have no musical taste may call it "twee", but there is no such thing, at least not in a negative sense. :-)

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), October 15th, 2004.

so true.

j.m. lockery (j.m. lockery), Friday, 15 October 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised that "Me & My Monkey" has had such a poor showing. It's so heavy and chaotic. The whole track sounds like it's going to fall apart at any moment - in a good way!

darin (darin), Friday, 15 October 2004 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

1. Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey
2. Wild Honey Pie
3. Savoy Truffle
4. Helter Skelter
5. Piggies
6. Blackbird
7. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
8. Good Night
9. Julia
10.Happiness Is a Warm Gun
11.Dear Prudence
12.Birthday
13.Cry Baby Cry
14.Back In The USSR
15.Glass Onion
16.Rocky Racoon
17.The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill
18.Sexy Sadie
19.Mother Nature's Son
20.Revolution 1
21.Long, Long, Long
22.Revolution 9
23.I'm So Tired
24.Honey Pie
25.Why Don't We Do It In The Road
26.I Will
27.Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
28.Yer Blues
29.Martha My Dear
30.Don't Pass Me By

Not sure I understand the appeal of "Sexy Sadie".

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Friday, 15 October 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Repeating "honey pie!" 11 times isn't filler?

It lasts for, what, a minute or something, doesn't it? As such, I don't think it fills a lot of space, so it cannot be considered "filler"

However, repeating "Number 9" a zillion times on top of various strange noises for 9 minutes is definitely filler...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 15 October 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised that "Me & My Monkey" has had such a poor showing. It's so heavy and chaotic. The whole track sounds like it's going to fall apart at any moment - in a good way!

It's a great goddamn track -- I always thought it sounded like a runaway fire engine -- all those ringing, siren like guitars. Like so much of this album, it retains a slightly off riff too....hinting indescribably at someting sinister.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 16 October 2004 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how Ian MacDonald took apart "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" with a crowbar in Revolution In the Head.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 16 October 2004 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...

hey, the fourth side of this record kind of sucks, don't it?

amateurist, Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:13 (fourteen years ago) link

savoy truffle, revolution 9 & cry baby cry are all pretty good iirc.

ian, Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:14 (fourteen years ago) link

also, i once knew a guy whose fave song on the white album was "wild honey pie"!!!! wtf??

ian, Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:15 (fourteen years ago) link

"I Will" is a great song!

St3ve Go1db3rg, Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link

No one would ever talk about this album if it wasn't wildly uneven.

boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:18 (fourteen years ago) link

"i will" is on side two!

amateurist, Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:19 (fourteen years ago) link

kind of wish they would've just released a three-sided record, with some picture etched into side four.

amateurist, Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link

picky picky picky.

ian, Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Revolution 1 is good

billstevejim, Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:23 (fourteen years ago) link

je suis pas d'accord

amateurist, Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Still align myself with Ian MacDonald w.r.t "Revolution 9."

boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:25 (fourteen years ago) link

I love this record so much. It has to be the weirdest number one album ever.

kornrulez6969, Sunday, 13 September 2009 04:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Too great. I remember once thinking that Album 1 (sides 1 & 2) was boffo and Album 2 had all the filler (I'd just swap "Savoy Truffle" in for "Rocky Raccoon" and be happy) but I put it on the other day in consolation for not being able to source a mono box locally and ... wow! There's hardly a song I'd skip. I must have been going through an extreme popist phase or something.

I agree with above posters that it's a complete work of art - you can't really take it apart and even the sucky bits contribute to the whole. As well, the sequencing is, in the main, masterful. I find "Bungalow Bill" and "Wild Honey Pie" (among others) hard to defend on their own merits but they perform perfectly in their respective places.

I have to rep for "Don't Pass Me By" - it's a plodding, derivative (of Buck Owens, mainly) pedestrian piece of shit that somehow transcends: Ringo's everybloke vocals, Leslie speaker on everything in sight giving the whole track an underwater feeling, the queasy fiddle, and the weird, brassy quality that most of the instruments have... there's something unreconstructable about it; it has an otherworldly inevitability that the Beatles' music (and relatively speaking so little else) often musters. I give thumbs up.

Rocky Raccoon and Honey Pie still don't do it for me, even so.

staggerlee, Sunday, 13 September 2009 16:18 (fourteen years ago) link

i like "don't pass me by" as well.

amateurist, Sunday, 13 September 2009 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't mind playing the album, but can honestly only get behind about five songs (Helter, Happiness, Everybody's, Glass Onion, Dear Prudence). And of those five, four were done better by someone else (counting Tick, Tick as a Glass Onion cover...).

dlp9001, Sunday, 13 September 2009 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

ooh the other week i was wondering how i'd single-albumise this

alien vs the smiths (country matters), Sunday, 13 September 2009 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost. Huh? Whose versions are better? Please don't say U2's Helter is better...please? Those 5 songs all kill as originals...oh this makes me sad.

I'm still trying to rank them, but it's just so damn mercenary. Even when I pull that cd off the shelf to hear Prudence or Helter, I have to play it through. So I guess I can't really argue til I can back myself up... harrumph.

VegemiteGrrrl, Sunday, 13 September 2009 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

i agree that the big sprawling messiness makes the album interesting, but as an exercise here are the songs i'd include in a short, to-the-point single album:

Back In The USSR
Dear Prudence
Martha My Dear
I'm So Tired
Birthday
I Will
Happiness Is a Warm Gun
Blackbird
Julia
Rocky Racoon
Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey
Don't Pass Me By

amateurist, Monday, 14 September 2009 00:33 (fourteen years ago) link

haven't decided on mine beyond the fact that Dear Prudence and Happiness Is A Warm Gun are *definitely* in it

alien vs the smiths (country matters), Monday, 14 September 2009 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link

dear prudence is one of my very favorite beatles songs.

amateurist, Monday, 14 September 2009 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

this record is such a mess, a wonderful mess. I don't listen to it often anymore.

Hugh Manatee (WmC), Monday, 14 September 2009 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link

same here! there is something quintessential about it. quintessentially of its time and yet timeless. that last 30 seconds is just *fuck yes*

xp

but i think 'happiness' is my favourite from the album. mostly for that syncopated bit.

alien vs the smiths (country matters), Monday, 14 September 2009 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link

amateurist!

cutty, Monday, 14 September 2009 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost: better versions (this is also probably in another thread) are Helter Skelter (Husker Du), Happiness is a Warm Gun (Breeders), Everybody's Got Something to Hide (Feelies). And when I hear Glass Onion now, I'm always waiting for "the part that sounds like Tick, Tock."

dlp9001, Monday, 14 September 2009 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link

i also prefer the boney m version of "julia" to the original.

amateurist, Monday, 14 September 2009 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link


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